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Mar 22 2019 03:38am
Quote (balrog66 @ 22 Mar 2019 09:00)
So there are several factors that are partly responsible.


  • Leadership change. The leader of D66 changed from seasoned veteran and multiple time best debate winner Alexander Pechtold to newbie and inexperienced Rob Jetten. He's already had the nickname 'Robot Jetten' plastered onto him because he just adheres to the talking points that his spindoctors train him with.
  • Alienation of students. Students and yuppies tend to vote D66 a lot, but D66 has gone along in the last governments with VVD to sober up the higher education system. Now loans are pretty much required for students to finish their studies. Many students feel resentment.
  • Alienation of some of their more centre/right-wing voters. D66 has made a swing towards the green and ecological over the last decade, cosying up to GL. This has alienated many of their economical voters (they all defected to VVD). At the same time, many people who strongly prioritise environmental policy prefer voting for GL or PvdD.

    As you can see, they're still searching for an identity that'll work for current times. I'd also mention that D66 is currently in the coalition so some loss is to be expected anyways.


Quote (zarkadon @ 22 Mar 2019 10:05)
I see, thanks for the input.

Centrist can have it rough... while they rarely face hostility, they also face the problem of losing their votes to different sides if they take a strong stance on certain issues. Unless you have a strong and charismatic leader that can create unity around a big tent political program, it's complicated to grow from the centre ground.

I think it's just the underlying current of our times: polarization. From my observation, centrist parties all across the world have an increasingly hard time appealing to voters which are drifting farther and farther to the left or right. It's as if centrist parties are lying on the rack....
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Mar 22 2019 03:54am
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“He tied us to the floor covered in petrol and took our phones away so we couldn’t call the police,” one of the 51 children held hostage in a school bus set on fire by a driver of Senegalese origin who wanted revenge for migrants “dying at sea”.

https://twitter.com/alessabocchi/status/1108446707912769536
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2019/03/20/bus-full-children-set-alight-angry-driver-retaliation-migrant/
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“No one will survive,” he said, according to police.
“He shouted 'Stop the deaths at sea, I'll carry out a massacre',” said Marco Palmieri, a police spokesman.

He rammed the bus into cars on a busy highway before it came to a stop at a roadblock set up by police.
He then doused it in petrol and set it on fire.
Police smashed the windows of the vehicle to allow the children to escape.

“It was a miracle, it could have been a massacre,” said Francesco Greco, a prosecutor from Milan. “The carabinieri (police) were exceptional in blocking the bus and getting all the children out. They broke the windows and managed to get all 51 kids out.”



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Mar 22 2019 08:06am
Quote (fender @ Mar 22 2019 09:59am)
https://i.imgur.com/756X6wC.jpg



would be the best and worst id have ever gotten if i were british
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Mar 22 2019 09:42am
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Mar 22 2019 09:51am
Quote (fender @ 22 Mar 2019 14:59)
https://i.imgur.com/756X6wC.jpg


There is no other choice than drown the kitty, seems EU is resolved to provoke elections, that is the way to push UK Mps in doing something: treating their jobs ^_^

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just a normal day in berlin, such a nice and peaceful gathering
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=24lR7LS5wOc
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Awesome german story, in german.
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Mar 22 2019 10:59am
Quote (ampoo @ Mar 22 2019 07:42am)
just a normal day in berlin, such a nice and peaceful gathering

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=24lR7LS5wOc

german source
https://www.faz.net/aktuell/gesellschaft/kriminalitaet/berliner-alexanderplatz-festnahmen-nach-massenschlaegerei-16102380.html?fbclid=IwAR3evhBnWkLPyq-u4b2Fi40ME9IAkN4_4NxmmovS_A7_k7lFSZjRVOx4fIQ


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#3338
Mar 22 2019 02:03pm
Quote (Black XistenZ @ 22 Mar 2019 10:38)
I think it's just the underlying current of our times: polarization. From my observation, centrist parties all across the world have an increasingly hard time appealing to voters which are drifting farther and farther to the left or right. It's as if centrist parties are lying on the rack....


Well, there are still centrist parties that hold governments (France being the most notable example), but I that the overall global climate isn't the best for these parties atm.
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#3339
Mar 22 2019 02:19pm
Meanwhile, in Spain:

With little more than a month before the upcoming national elections, the poll of polls shows that the left is clearly concentrating its vote around centre-left PSOE, while the opposition parties remain divided:



This could lead to a situation where the 3 parties that antagonize president Pedro Sánchez the most (centist C's, right wing PP and alt-right conservative VOX) get a lot more votes than the leftist block (centre-left PSOE and alt-left UP), but trail behind in number of seats due to the electoral system punishing division among voters (especially in the many small constituencies where there are only 3-6 seats). Rajoy's PP had a solid absolute majority with just 44% of the votes in 2011, but now there are polls that give the "anti-Sánchez" front of C's, PP and VOX over 50% of the votes yet not obtaining a parliamentary majority, due to the division of anti-Sánchez voters among these 3 parties.... while the sum of PSOE+UP could be close to forming a parliamentary absolute majority with just 40% of the votes.

Let's see how the campaign goes. PSOE is being pretty silent, as the climate is favouring them and they don't want to fuck up. Meanwhile, the other 4 big parties are doing a pretty bad job so far.
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Mar 22 2019 02:55pm
Quote (zarkadon @ 22 Mar 2019 21:19)
Meanwhile, in Spain:

With little more than a month before the upcoming national elections, the poll of polls shows that the left is clearly concentrating its vote around centre-left PSOE, while the opposition parties remain divided:

https://i.imgur.com/WJ2BKGY.png

This could lead to a situation where the 3 parties that antagonize president Pedro Sánchez the most (centist C's, right wing PP and alt-right conservative VOX) get a lot more votes than the leftist block (centre-left PSOE and alt-left UP), but trail behind in number of seats due to the electoral system punishing division among voters (especially in the many small constituencies where there are only 3-6 seats). Rajoy's PP had a solid absolute majority with just 44% of the votes in 2011, but now there are polls that give the "anti-Sánchez" front of C's, PP and VOX over 50% of the votes yet not obtaining a parliamentary majority, due to the division of anti-Sánchez voters among these 3 parties.... while the sum of PSOE+UP could be close to forming a parliamentary absolute majority with just 40% of the votes.

Let's see how the campaign goes. PSOE is being pretty silent, as the climate is favouring them and they don't want to fuck up. Meanwhile, the other 4 big parties are doing a pretty bad job so far.


Interesting, but are the three right-wing parties really split as much in every district? Or are their national percentages just split on the national level, but coming from non-overlapping regional strongholds?

For example, I've heard that VOX is very strong in Andalusia.
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