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Dec 30 2019 12:42pm
Quote (Skinned @ Dec 30 2019 01:14pm)
Baby looks happy and cared for. Nothing wrong it seems. Will have some questions lol.



Isn't using science to master nature the whole point of technology?

We have warehouses full of humans being kept artificially alive.

I don't see how this is any different morally than dialysis.

when you say "master nature"...
are you referring to the baby being born without the need of traditional sex?
or are you referring using hormone pills to manipulate natural reproductive organs/cycles?

if 1, i again have no issue. they did what they wanted to do, they got what they wanted to get. good for them. i'm not sure i'd exactly call it "mastery of nature" though. either way, good for them.
if 2.... that's not mastery in the slightest.

the only issue i have with this scenario, is the way it's narrated.
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Dec 30 2019 03:49pm
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when you say "master nature"...
are you referring to the baby being born without the need of traditional sex?
or are you referring using hormone pills to manipulate natural reproductive organs/cycles?

if 1, i again have no issue. they did what they wanted to do, they got what they wanted to get. good for them. i'm not sure i'd exactly call it "mastery of nature" though. either way, good for them.
if 2.... that's not mastery in the slightest.

the only issue i have with this scenario, is the way it's narrated.


Yes it is mastery. So is taking birth control to prevent pregnancy. I'm not saying it is good or bad. I'm against cloning altogether and think its embracing anti life values, but it is a demonstration of mastery over nature.

Why do you not think controlling your hormones and body through technology is not mastery over nature?

I'm not saying unnatural is good or bad.

I'm defining mastery as complete control. Living on a ventilator or dialysis for example shows some mastery over death.

I think genetic manipulation of children in the womb is going to lead to a bigotry that's going to make racism pale in comparison.

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Dec 31 2019 12:19am
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Yes it is mastery. So is taking birth control to prevent pregnancy. I'm not saying it is good or bad. I'm against cloning altogether and think its embracing anti life values, but it is a demonstration of mastery over nature.

Why do you not think controlling your hormones and body through technology is not mastery over nature?

I'm not saying unnatural is good or bad.

I'm defining mastery as complete control. Living on a ventilator or dialysis for example shows some mastery over death.

I think genetic manipulation of children in the womb is going to lead to a bigotry that's going to make racism pale in comparison.


who wouldn't terminate undesirable traits in children given the opportunity https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dnepropetrovsk_maniacs
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Dec 31 2019 12:57am
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Transgender man gives birth to non-binary partner's baby with female sperm donor
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/transgender-man-gives-birth-non-21177808

:huh: :blink: :mellow:




Kinda makes you wonder. Woman transitions to a man, but then gives in to HER bilogical clock. Either that or this is just two messed up folk that wanted publicity.
Either way, I kinda feel sorry for the kid.
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Dec 31 2019 06:32am
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who wouldn't terminate undesirable traits in children given the opportunity https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dnepropetrovsk_maniacs


Social traits lead to sociopathy and psychopathy as much as biological traits, probably more.

We don't know why people hear voices but we know if we restrict dopamine production the voices will diminish and cease. A doctor will say schizophrenia is a psychiatric illness, which is a physical illness of the brain, an organ we can point to.

Sociopathy isn't a psychiatric illness that can be treated with medicine. It isn't the result of a brain that isn't functioning properly. It is typically the result of a brain who has its neural pathways formed during traumatic lives experiences and it isn't a psychiatric illness that can be treated.

I will repeat, antisocial personality disorder is not a psychiatric illness and it is not treatable. There is no part of the brain or biology that we can point to and say "that isn't working right". Now we can often look after the fact and see that some parts of the brain were not developed well throughout life but that is all stuff happening after birth, because after birth social(external) factors pretty much direct biology, which is why evolution works, we adapt, etc.


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Kinda makes you wonder. Woman transitions to a man, but then gives in to HER bilogical clock. Either that or this is just two messed up folk that wanted publicity.
Either way, I kinda feel sorry for the kid.


Waste of energy feeling sorry for people. Besides, that kid looks happy.

Why feel sorry for a kid he looks happy he looks to be in a safe place with all his needs being met with 2 parents you love them?

You aren't very mindful. The highest rising demographic of homeless people is children and you feel sorry for this one.

Your moral compass is pretty fucked I think. Is gender variation and determination that scary for you?

I've always believed people were free to become what they want. I think that is a true American value, not the fascist values of everyone must act a certain way to be good.

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Dec 31 2019 07:39am
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Yes it is mastery. So is taking birth control to prevent pregnancy. I'm not saying it is good or bad. I'm against cloning altogether and think its embracing anti life values, but it is a demonstration of mastery over nature.

Why do you not think controlling your hormones and body through technology is not mastery over nature?

I'm not saying unnatural is good or bad.

I'm defining mastery as complete control. Living on a ventilator or dialysis for example shows some mastery over death.

I think genetic manipulation of children in the womb is going to lead to a bigotry that's going to make racism pale in comparison.


Its not mastery its akin to a plastic surgery disaster.
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Dec 31 2019 07:52am
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Its not mastery its akin to a plastic surgery disaster.


But you're a faggot and that's why you believe this. Someone with slightly different values might compare it to skin grafts or fixing a cleft lip, which is also plastic surgery.

It doesn't surprise me that you will use argument by analogy, the weakest and least logical/most emotional kind of argument. It is always pathos pathos pathos with you people.
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Dec 31 2019 08:18am
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But you're a faggot and that's why you believe this. Someone with slightly different values might compare it to skin grafts or fixing a cleft lip, which is also plastic surgery.

It doesn't surprise me that you will use argument by analogy, the weakest and least logical/most emotional kind of argument. It is always pathos pathos pathos with you people.


Its literally the same argument youre making now.
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Dec 31 2019 09:23am
Quote (Skinned @ 31 Dec 2019 08:52)
But you're a faggot and that's why you believe this. Someone with slightly different values might compare it to skin grafts or fixing a cleft lip, which is also plastic surgery.

It doesn't surprise me that you will use argument by analogy, the weakest and least logical/most emotional kind of argument. It is always pathos pathos pathos with you people.

hurl slurs and accuse others of pathos in a stereotypical skinned emotional rant

Quote (MSX98 @ 31 Dec 2019 10:19)

slave trade still going strong in western europe huh -_-
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