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Jan 23 2021 07:35pm
Quote (EndlessSky @ Jan 23 2021 02:51pm)
Reuters is +3 Biden bias

Ranmussen is +2 Trump bias

It still doesn't account for the difference. Biden is starting off unpopularly, lower than any other president in modern history


He's starting higher than Trump lol

and honestly since Republicans have devolved to the point that the mere existence of Democrats is triggering I'd expect him to start lower.
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Jan 23 2021 07:45pm
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He's starting higher than Trump lol

and honestly since Republicans have devolved to the point that the mere existence of Democrats is triggering I'd expect him to start lower.


An absurd number of Republicans think the election was stolen.... so not surprising that, like Trump, there's not much of a polling approval honeymoon.
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war on women has been rebooted? or are these women just “terfs”?

fortunately we have pale pasty privileged lefty cis males to decide for the rest of society
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That’s what happens when you revoke the Keystone Pipeline, eliminating about 11,000 jobs, allow men to compete in women’s sports, & ban fracking all in the first 48 hours.

Why does Joe Biden hate America ?


Biden only wants to ban fracking on FEDERAL lands. This means oil companies will have to drill/frac only on land owned by people, and not on land owned by the government...this means more money, aka royalties, for Americans who own mineral rights.

Btw of all the oil n gas wells in america, only 11% are on federal land...

If fracking was completely banned (like your post implied) then halliburton, schlumburger, baker hughes, etc, etc, etc would be laying off literally 90% of their employees. Sand companies and trucking companies would be laying off employees...but you don't hear about this, do you? Because it's not a complete ban...it will have a minimal effect

Do you want to see federal lands destroyed by oil and gas wells? Literally giving away the beautiful undisturbed land of america to oil companies so they can destroy it to make a profit??? Do you agree with that??? I prefer our state parks and undisturbed federal lands. Why would u want them destroyed when Americans get NOTHING out of this deal...

Do you hate america??



On to keystone pipeline....just read the fact check below from a trusted news source, not from facebook.....



Facebook post says that Biden’s executive order revoking the Keystone XL pipeline "is destroying 11,000 jobs."

That number is an estimate, and the claim lacks context about the longevity of Keystone jobs.

TC Energy said more than 1,000 people are out of work because of Biden’s executive order. In October, the company said it EXPECTED to employ more than 11,000 Americans in 2021.

But both TC Energy and the State Department have said the majority of those jobs would be TEMPORARY. A 2014 report found that the company would need only 50 employees to maintain the Keystone XL pipeline once it’s finished, 35 of them permanent.




So maybe 1k+ people laid off, yes, but not 11k....projected to have up to 11k contractors working on the pipeline this year, but only about 1k were working on it right now who will get laid off....


But hey, I'm sure those people who are laid off will be fine on $300/week unemployment benefits. I'm sure that will be enough to cover their cell phone bills, wifi, house payment, car payment, credit card payments, child care, food, medical bills, insurance, and electric bill. No need for any extra unemployment benefits during the pandemic-they will be fine
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war on women has been rebooted? or are these women just “terfs”?

fortunately we have pale pasty privileged lefty cis males to decide for the rest of society


"B-b-but I thought Biden was an uber-moderate and wanted to heal the country?!?" *NPCintensifies*

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"B-b-but I thought Biden was an uber-moderate and wanted to heal the country?!?" *NPCintensifies*


He is a moderate Democrat who wants to heal the country. Elections have consequences.

https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/presidential-actions/2021/01/20/executive-order-preventing-and-combating-discrimination-on-basis-of-gender-identity-or-sexual-orientation/

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These principles are reflected in the Constitution, which promises equal protection of the laws. These principles are also enshrined in our Nation’s anti-discrimination laws, among them Title VII of the Civil Rights Act of 1964, as amended (42 U.S.C. 2000e et seq.). In Bostock v. Clayton County, 590 U.S. ___ (2020), the Supreme Court held that Title VII’s prohibition on discrimination “because of . . . sex” covers discrimination on the basis of gender identity and sexual orientation. Under Bostock‘s reasoning, laws that prohibit sex discrimination — including Title IX of the Education Amendments of 1972, as amended (20 U.S.C. 1681 et seq.), the Fair Housing Act, as amended (42 U.S.C. 3601 et seq.), and section 412 of the Immigration and Nationality Act, as amended (8 U.S.C. 1522), along with their respective implementing regulations — prohibit discrimination on the basis of gender identity or sexual orientation, so long as the laws do not contain sufficient indications to the contrary.


This was the case that Gorsuch wrote the opinion on... and it's a compelling argument based on the text.

I don't know how this executive order changes much of anything... I'd be interested in hearing arguments on the negative consequences of it. As a believing Catholic I think it's moral and necessary to allow discrimination based on so called "gender identity", but unfortunately that ship has sailed.

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He is a moderate Democrat who wants to heal the country. Elections have consequences.

https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/presidential-actions/2021/01/20/executive-order-preventing-and-combating-discrimination-on-basis-of-gender-identity-or-sexual-orientation/



This was the case that Gorsuch wrote the opinion on... and it's a compelling argument based on the text.

I don't know how this executive order changes much of anything... I'd be interested in hearing arguments on the negative consequences of it. As a believing Catholic I think it's moral and necessary to allow discrimination based on so called "gender identity", but unfortunately that ship has sailed.


When female athletes are forced to compete with biological males, they are robbed of a fair opportunity in their sport, or their profession if we're talking abous pros. So in a sense, this kind of legislation will lead to a discrimination of (biological) women in sports if it's really enforced. Time will tell.

Still interesting to see where Biden's legislative priorities are suitated during his first days in office. What do we have so far? Opening the borders for people from shithole countries, pushing for large-scale amnesty, empowering transgenderism, killing 11k jobs and angering the closest ally for the sake of environmental protection, rejoining the Paris climate accord which will reduce American wealth while being needlessly lenient on China/India, and attempts at empowering the agencies to start an inquisition of everything right-of-center under the pretense of "fighting domestic terrorism". So much healing...


But perhaps that's strategy. Perhaps he's intentionally passing all the toxic, divisive identity politics stuff early on so that it will be forgotten once the conversation moves on to the heavy lifting bills like stimulus, voting rights reform or the minimum wage - issues which will suck up the oxygen in the coming months and where public opinion is probably more strongly on Democrats' side.

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Jan 24 2021 08:34am
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When female athletes are forced to compete with biological males, they are robbed of a fair opportunity in their sport, or their profession if we're talking abous pros. So in a sense, this kind of legislation will lead to a discrimination of (biological) women in sports if it's really enforced. Time will tell.

Still interesting to see where Biden's legislative priorities are suitated during his first days in office. What do we have so far? Opening the borders for people from shithole countries, pushing for large-scale amnesty, empowering transgenderism, killing 11k jobs and angering the closest ally for the sake of environmental protection, rejoining the Paris climate accord which will reduce American wealth while being needlessly lenient on China/India, and attempts at empowering the agencies to start an inquisition of everything right-of-center under the pretense of "fighting domestic terrorism". So much healing...


But perhaps that's strategy. Perhaps he's intentionally passing all the toxic, divisive identity politics stuff early on so that it will be forgotten once the conversation moves on to the heavy lifting bills like stimulus, voting rights reform or the minimum wage - issues which will suck up the oxygen in the coming months and where public opinion is probably more strongly on Democrats' side.


I agree with you on the sports issue, but it's unclear to me how this executive order would affect that.

I disagree with some of your characterizations, but don't feel like arguing them. Biden's first legislative priority is a COVID relief bill... what he's done so far are just executive orders. As I've said before, I think it's a completely absurd argument that Biden pursuing the agenda he campaigned on contradicts his message of unity and healing.
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Jan 24 2021 08:47am
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I agree with you on the sports issue, but it's unclear to me how this executive order would affect that.

I disagree with some of your characterizations, but don't feel like arguing them. Biden's first legislative priority is a COVID relief bill... what he's done so far are just executive orders. As I've said before, I think it's a completely absurd argument that Biden pursuing the agenda he campaigned on contradicts his message of unity and healing.


Why do you think we're divided in the first place? There is a lot of middle ground on economic policy. But in terms of culture we live in radically different worlds.
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Jan 24 2021 08:56am
Quote (IceMage @ 24 Jan 2021 15:34)
I agree with you on the sports issue, but it's unclear to me how this executive order would affect that.

I disagree with some of your characterizations, but don't feel like arguing them. Biden's first legislative priority is a COVID relief bill... what he's done so far are just executive orders. As I've said before, I think it's a completely absurd argument that Biden pursuing the agenda he campaigned on contradicts his message of unity and healing.


I dont think we disagree all that much on principle here, we just have a different perspective on the stuff he's passing.

I have to mildly disagree with the "pursuing one's agenda cannot be divisive" point though. Take Trump's travel ban - clearly a divisive policy, and the fact that he campaigned on stuff like that doesnt mitigate its divisiveness. In the same mould, Biden's policies cannot and should not be immune from criticism just because he campaigned on them. Particularly when his election win was 90% fueled by a rejection of his opponent and cannot possibly be construed as an embrace of his platform by the electorate, so that he can hardly claim a strong mandate.

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