Exactly. I either want GER to win, or NL to win in a blowout that forces the DFB's hand with regard to Löw.

This post was edited by Black XistenZ on Mar 21 2019 01:34pm

uefa nations league is coming home btw. but id be happy if the netherlands won it, want vvd and gini to get some silverware at least.

I'm hoping for something similar to the Real-Ajax match

That night was so magical

Hey Balrog, thanks a bunch for all that info on dutch politics. Very interesting stuff!

What's up with D66's meltdown? From the distance, it always seemed to me like the kind of party I would vote if I were dutch.



No

Brexit ;
UK is now getting pushed to organize european elections if it wants a larger delay than may 22...
Sounds like EU is trying to provoke a brexit, agreement or not, or a change in UK politics.
UK already voted against hard brexit itself. Imo the last alternative is the 600 pages agreement or new government which will be openly pro-europe, organizing elections, then referendum.
Hard Brexit still possible tho, but who want this?

Oups correctus; 12 April is the delay given to UK to accept the agreement...

So there are several factors that are partly responsible.

• Leadership change. The leader of D66 changed from seasoned veteran and multiple time best debate winner Alexander Pechtold to newbie and inexperienced Rob Jetten. He's already had the nickname 'Robot Jetten' plastered onto him because he just adheres to the talking points that his spindoctors train him with.
  
• Alienation of students. Students and yuppies tend to vote D66 a lot, but D66 has gone along in the last governments with VVD to sober up the higher education system. Now loans are pretty much required for students to finish their studies. Many students feel resentment.
  
• Alienation of some of their more centre/right-wing voters. D66 has made a swing towards the green and ecological over the last decade, cosying up to GL. This has alienated many of their economical voters (they all defected to VVD). At the same time, many people who strongly prioritise environmental policy prefer voting for GL or PvdD.
  
  As you can see, they're still searching for an identity that'll work for current times. I'd also mention that D66 is currently in the coalition so some loss is to be expected anyways.
  

I see, thanks for the input.

Centrist can have it rough... while they rarely face hostility, they also face the problem of losing their votes to different sides if they take a strong stance on certain issues. Unless you have a strong and charismatic leader that can create unity around a big tent political program, it's complicated to grow from the centre ground.