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Quote (Handcuffs @ Oct 25 2023 11:05pm)
I think based off of the shortness of our exchange it may seem like I'm implying that Israel should cede land in a way that appeases Hamas; however, that's not my intention. The 1967 borders are just the potential options for borders that are most-likely to result in long-term stability in the region, at least at this time.

Also, at bare minimum, Israel needs to address its settler problem and restore the illegally occupied land to the Palestinians. They are a significant security risk for Israel.


The Israelis will never do that.
They want Palestine gone completely.
They will do just that and set it up to maintain their victim status.
Remember, the jew cries out in pain as he strikes you...every time.



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Western Media is going to go full on berserk on Russia and China soon on the newest Veto at the UN Security Council.
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Quote (sirthom @ 26 Oct 2023 11:43)
The Israelis will never do that.
They want Palestine gone completely.
They will do just that and set it up to maintain their victim status.
Remember, the jew cries out in pain as he strikes you...every time.

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This is the kind of idiocy that fuels Israeli opposition towards a reasonable two-state solution. It takes away the legitimacy of the criticism towards Israel's aggressive settlement expansion policies. Keep the antisemitism out if you want to criticize Israel in a manner that can be taken seriously.

Quote (majorblood @ 26 Oct 2023 06:59)
why should Israel give into any demands of Hamas? Why should Israel lose territory?

try to see this from the perspective of Israel/the Israeli government, they relinquished control of gaza in 2005 and they are still having problems today -- giving up land would solve absolutely nothing.

you don't try to appease terrorists, everyone in the area wants Israel to be wiped out.


Assimilating the Palestinians of Gaza and the WB into Israel sounds less attractive. Expelling them is the other option and we all know its not the humane option. Even the Israelis want to live separately from them. I dont think the Palestinians are ready to become Israeli Arabs either.

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Quote (RedFromWinter @ 26 Oct 2023 00:15)
We are reaching new heights of ignorance.


The only ignorants are the one who think its a land conflict.

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Assimilating the Palestinians of Gaza and the WB into Israel sounds less attractive. Expelling them is the other option and we all know its not the humane option. Even the Israelis want to live separately from them. I dont think the Palestinians are ready to become Israeli Arabs either.

In such a One-State solution, there would currently be roughly 7.0 million Muslims and 7.1 million Jews, but with the Muslim population being much younger and with much higher growth rates. It would be a foregone conclusion that Jewish Israelis would become an ethnic and religious minority in this new state, in their own state.

Now, keep in mind the history of genocidal wars waged by the Arabs in the region against the Jewish state. Keep in mind how the formerly liberal, democratic and Christian Lebanon next door has turned into a complete and utter shithole (and terrorist breeding ground) after its demographics had reached a tipping point. Keep in mind the centuries-long history of the Jewish people as a persecuted minority all across the world, and how the whole rationale of Zionism was to give the Jewish people a homeland in which they would be safe. Given this context, it's very easy to see why the prospect of living in a democracy with equal voting rights while being a minority to the Arabs is a completely and totally unacceptable proposition for Jewish Israelis.

Let's call it like it is: within less than two decades after executing a One-State solution, democracy would get abolished and the Jews (now a clear minority) would get displaced, if not outright slaughtered.

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This is the kind of idiocy that fuels Israeli opposition towards a reasonable two-state solution. It takes away the legitimacy of the criticism towards Israel's aggressive settlement expansion policies. Keep the antisemitism out if you want to criticize Israel in a manner that can be taken seriously.


Care to make a wager that there will never be a 2-state solution?
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In such a One-State solution, there would currently be roughly 7.0 million Muslims and 7.1 million Jews, but with the Muslim population being much younger and with much higher growth rates. It would be a foregone conclusion that Jewish Israelis would become an ethnic and religious minority in this new state, in their own state.

Now, keep in mind the history of genocidal wars waged by the Arabs in the region against the Jewish state. Keep in mind how the formerly liberal, democratic and Christian Lebanon next door has turned into a complete and utter shithole (and terrorist breeding ground) after its demographics had reached a tipping point. Keep in mind the centuries-long history of the Jewish people as a persecuted minority all across the world, and how the whole rationale of Zionism was to give the Jewish people a homeland in which they would be safe. Given this context, it's very easy to see why the prospect of living in a democracy with equal voting rights while being a minority to the Arabs is a completely and totally unacceptable proposition for Jewish Israelis.

Let's call it like it is: within less than two decades after executing a One-State solution, democracy would get abolished and the Jews (now a clear minority) would get displaced, if not outright slaughtered.


really makes you think, why would any nation want to do this?

crazy with real world examples of countries becoming shitholes after reaching a demographic tipping point, where else do we see this?

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really makes you think, why would any nation want to do this?

crazy with real world examples of countries becoming shitholes after reaching a demographic tipping point, where else do we see this?


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Quote (majorblood @ Oct 26 2023 09:25am)
really makes you think, why would any nation want to do this?

crazy with real world examples of countries becoming shitholes after reaching a demographic tipping point, where else do we see this?


Much of western geopolitical philosophy is premised on humanitarian idealism that values life and wellbeing of noncitizens even at the expense of citizens, seeing it as a mantle of responsibility without ever asking the question of whether such policies are sustainable or self defeating. If a civilized country turns itself into a shithole to benefit the people of another shithole, all you wind up with is two shitholes. This is opposite previous philosophies like self interested nation states acting for their own immediare social benefit, or nationalist regimes acting to the long term benefit of their future society at the expense of the present.
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