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Jan 23 2021 12:25pm
Quote (EndlessSky @ Jan 23 2021 12:25pm)
Communist media brainwashing works, comrade


Then why is Biden below 50%?
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Jan 23 2021 12:27pm
Quote (EndlessSky @ Jan 23 2021 01:07pm)
Joe Biden has the lowest first week approval of any president in modern history.

Biden has a whopping 48% approval.

Trump has a 52% approval right now.


America doesn't like to be told to eat their vegetables.
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Jan 23 2021 12:29pm
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Then why is Biden below 50%?


Biden is in the process of losing his radical base.

ie: Portland riots are heating up again
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Biden is in the process of losing his radical base.

ie: Portland riots are heating up again


Biden never had a radical base lol
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Jan 23 2021 12:55pm
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Biden never had a radical base lol


Biden also went against one of his biggest voting blocks, workers unions - by banning the keystone pipeline.
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Jan 23 2021 02:02pm
Quote (EndlessSky @ Jan 23 2021 10:07am)
Joe Biden has the lowest first week approval of any president in modern history.

Biden has a whopping 48% approval.

Trump has a 52% approval right now.

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/latest_polls/
You are using Rasmussen for that number. Reuters has Biden at 57% approval which is a substantial difference. Regardless, with hyper-polarization, I think breaking 55% outside of a honeymoon era or some sort of disaster would be quite a feat.
Quote (Black XistenZ @ Jan 23 2021 02:44am)
Great article, really nails where America's problems lie today and what Biden should focus on if he really wants to close the divides and move the country forward:

https://www.zeit.de/wirtschaft/2021-01/patrick-deneen-author-interview-america-usa-liberalism-racism/komplettansicht


Agreed that it's a good interview. I was surprised that Biden's first legislative push was an immigration bill and I could see him being skewered for that. I imagine that it will change quite a bit once it goes through Congress but it's a left of center piece of legislation as it stands. I don't see anything outrageous in it but I'll probably need to take a second look at it.

I 100% agree that we've lost a sense of community and I think that's due to urban/suburbanization. Very few people live in rural/exurban areas (which foster that sense of community). America becoming less religious also doesn't help because that's another communal activity that's eroding.

I think he's wrong when it comes to the current state of race in this country but he's correct about the trends. White Trash such as Ghot are seeing their quality of life deteriorate and they almost have it as bad as negros in a lot of ways. They aren't there yet though and there is still a rough history that we're in the process of confronting. A lot of people are simply ignorant of the racial disparity in this country because they live in areas where they are shielded from it.
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I think he's wrong when it comes to the current state of race in this country but he's correct about the trends. White Trash such as Ghot are seeing their quality of life deteriorate and they almost have it as bad as negros in a lot of ways. They aren't there yet though and there is still a rough history that we're in the process of confronting. A lot of people are simply ignorant of the racial disparity in this country because they live in areas where they are shielded from it.


The problem with this is that there exists no Pareto improvement on race issues. Trump was panned a lot for his black and white, zero-sum worldview, which definitely is wrong in a lot of fields, like trade. But social status/rank is an intrinsically relative concept and indeed a zero-sum game. You cannot improve the relative status of black and brown people in America without decreasing the status of low-ranking whites (i.e. working-class and/or rural).

In the 50s, even the poorest, most uneducated white male nonetheless belonged to the top 40% of society because he automatically ranked above all the negros and above all but the patrician-born white women. Low education whites, and white males in particular, are the group which has seen the largest decline of its status due to increasing diversity and racial liberalism. It's the deeper reason why this segment of the electorate is particularly drawn toward chauvinism/nativism or anyone promising a return to the status quo ante, when a satisfactory social status was their birthright.

This creates a dilemma in the sense that the old status quo of racism is unacceptable, but clumsy attempts at shaking up the racial hierarchy of the country have really vicious political consequences which could go as far as civil war. In some sense, America had to go through four years of Trump because Hillary talked too much about immigration and gender during her campaign. The obvious solution is what the author proposes: replacing race and social issues as the main cleavage of American politics with class/economics. This approach he's proposing, the approach of improving the material conditions of all poor and lower middle class Americans, would automatically see racial inequality and division go down as well. This is basically the approach that Bernie's 2016 campaign pursued, and also the reason why he started sucking when his 2020 campaign succumbed to wokeism.

Now, this is obviously not gonna happen anytime soon since the powers that be have been pushing identity politics for decades specifically so that social/cultural issues (which dont hurt their bottom line) replace economic conflict as the central divide in politics. I dont have high hopes for the Biden presidency in this regard, "identity liberalism" has too much of a stranglehold on the Democratic party these days, and the GOP will be weakened for quite some time by the post-Trump woes. :rolleyes:

This post was edited by Black XistenZ on Jan 23 2021 02:49pm
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Quote (thundercock @ Jan 23 2021 03:02pm)
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/latest_polls/
You are using Rasmussen for that number. Reuters has Biden at 57% approval which is a substantial difference. Regardless, with hyper-polarization, I think breaking 55% outside of a honeymoon era or some sort of disaster would be quite a feat.

Agreed that it's a good interview. I was surprised that Biden's first legislative push was an immigration bill and I could see him being skewered for that. I imagine that it will change quite a bit once it goes through Congress but it's a left of center piece of legislation as it stands. I don't see anything outrageous in it but I'll probably need to take a second look at it.

I 100% agree that we've lost a sense of community and I think that's due to urban/suburbanization. Very few people live in rural/exurban areas (which foster that sense of community). America becoming less religious also doesn't help because that's another communal activity that's eroding.

I think he's wrong when it comes to the current state of race in this country but he's correct about the trends. White Trash such as Ghot are seeing their quality of life deteriorate and they almost have it as bad as negros in a lot of ways. They aren't there yet though and there is still a rough history that we're in the process of confronting. A lot of people are simply ignorant of the racial disparity in this country because they live in areas where they are shielded from it.


Reuters is +3 Biden bias

Ranmussen is +2 Trump bias

It still doesn't account for the difference. Biden is starting off unpopularly, lower than any other president in modern history
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Jan 23 2021 07:31pm
Quote (EndlessSky @ Jan 23 2021 03:51pm)
Reuters is +3 Biden bias

Ranmussen is +2 Trump bias


It still doesn't account for the difference. Biden is starting off unpopularly, lower than any other president in modern history




This post was edited by IceMage on Jan 23 2021 07:32pm
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