Quote (EndlessSky @ Apr 22 2020 01:05pm)

Some of them were traumatized or do it out of personal choice. Most are genetic or otherwise predetermined.

For the first point, politifact actually has a pretty good analysys:



https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2016/dec/02/gavin-newsom/pences-support-conversion-therapy-not-settled-matt/

Quote (thesnipa @ Apr 22 2020 06:59pm)

1. how is being gay more convenient? and do those ways even come close to offsetting the cons list

2. your entire premise is based on a false binary, and doesnt account for a spectrum of bi people who can "choose" to adhere to that binary.

if u have 3 bis, 1 who is 75/25 into guys/girls, 1 who is 50/50, 1 who is 25/75, for example. its easy to see either of the 75/25s as "choosing" in a sense.

Quote (EndlessSky @ Apr 22 2020 01:48pm)

This is only an option in individuals that infect multiple others with HIV. Its a myth perpetrated by the media mostly.

Quote (EA7 @ Apr 22 2020 01:56pm)

Is everyone who is gay born that way? Honest question. I'm sure some people are, but what percentage? How many people are gay by choice because it's more convenient?

For example, an experience I had in my college years made me realize that some people are definitely not born gay, but instead choose to be gay. One time, I was invited to a party by a pretty average looking girl but I was already drunk by the time I got there so she was looking pretty good. The whole night, there was this really scrawny ugly looking guy following her around like a dog. He was clearly trying to hit on her but she just ignored him. Anyway, drunk me decides I want to bang this girl. Partially because I'm drunk, but mostly just because it'd be funny to cuck the other guy who obviously has a crush on her.

Fast forward a couple of hours and I'm making out with her outside the house and this guy is desperately trying to cockblock me, yelling "STOP MAKING OUT" in a half joking, half "you're crushing my hopes and dreams please stop" kind of way. We both just laughed him off. Rest of the night, this girl is all over me, sitting on my lap and shit and the guy keeps trying to get her attention but pretty much gets ignored. End of the night, she ends up going home with me and as we're leaving I look back at see the most demoralized, defeated look on the guys face.

Next morning, I wake up slightly less drunk, look over at this girl sleeping next to me, realize she's not at all attractive, and feel disgusted with myself. She tries to get in touch with me a few times after that but I never respond, and she eventually gives up. But that's not really important. What's important is, a few months later I see this loser guy from the party makes a post that he's in a relationship with some other equally pathetic looking guy. Before this, there was no history of him being gay, he had been in relationships with girls before, and he was clearly into the girl I banged at the party.

So, my question is, is the phenomenon I described merely a statistical outlier based on anecdotal experience which can safely be discounted, or do a significant percentage of gay people choose to be gay because it's easier to find a partner and/or gives them minority status?

Quote (EA7 @ Apr 22 2020 01:09pm)

1. some guys are very unattractive, either due to poor choices, subpar genetics, or both. they'll get 0 matches on Tinder for their entire lives but they can go on Grindr and find some sleazy guy willing to fuck them within 10 minutes. IMO, the pros don't outweigh the cons, but it's amazing what loneliness does to people. there are literally guys out there donating thousands of $$ to titty streamers on Twitch just to get 5 seconds of attention. not to mention, these days you can probably say you're LBGTQ+ on your college application and get some preferential treatment

2. for this particular case, just take my original post and substitute "gay" with "bi". it's the same idea for men at least. the guy I'm talking about never had any history of being attracted to men whatosever.

Quote (thesnipa @ Apr 22 2020 02:24pm)

on 1 we agree i think, desperation and loneliness of uggos can do some crazy shit. but id still say the % that "go gay" as compared to join incel groups or donate to twitch thots is low, very low.

Quote (Skinned @ Apr 22 2020 01:31pm)

Shit can be rough but it seems to me like prostitution is really blowing up in many degrees. Instagram models are basically escorts.

Quote (thesnipa @ Apr 22 2020 02:36pm)

ya instagram and their "only fans" pages are basically the same as ads for escorts. more power to them i suppose, but what a shit way to make a living. i guess publicly being half naked beats being an actual prostitute where u dont know if johns will get violent or refuse to pay.

Quote (EndlessSky @ Apr 22 2020 01:52pm)

Isn't feminism great.

Quote (Thor123422 @ Apr 22 2020 02:59pm)

Prostitution existed long before feminism, but was more dangerous and degrading.

Quote (EndlessSky @ Apr 22 2020 03:12pm)

It destroys your life all the same. Now it is just more socially acceptable either way.