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Oct 17 2019 07:53pm
Quote (inkanddagger @ Oct 17 2019 09:51pm)
Because capitalists captured the regulatory system.

The "Free market" is fantasy just like fire-breathing dragons and unicorns. It has never existed, it will never exist.

Also,

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Name a drug more than 10 years old that still struggles to find a generic.

Just because the house isn't perfect doesn't mean we need to destroy the central support beam (capitalism).
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Name a drug more than 10 years old that still struggles to find a generic.

Just because the house isn't perfect doesn't mean we need to destroy the central support beam (capitalism).



Socialism (productive workers) is the central support beam. Capitalism is the black mold rotting your walls, the termites eating your support beam, the colony of ants burrowing through your foundation.
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Oct 17 2019 07:57pm
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Socialism (productive workers) is the central support beam. Capitalism is the black mold rotting your walls, the termites eating your support beam, the colony of ants burrowing through your foundation.


The central support beam is a team of genius biotech scientists (bourgeois) working with a team of investors (bourgeois). They give a bunch of peons (proletariat) jobs out of the kindness of their heart. The proletariat take the jobs because its better than sitting at home and watching NCIS.
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Oct 17 2019 08:00pm
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The central support beam is a team of genius biotech scientists (bourgeois) working with a team of investors (bourgeois). They give a bunch of peons (proletariat) jobs out of the kindness of their heart. The proletariat take the jobs because its better than sitting at home and watching NCIS.


The central support beam is the public universities with research funded by tax dollars that investors latch on to at the end so that they can extract profit without risk.
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Oct 17 2019 08:02pm
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Pro capitalist right winger:

"Epipens are too expensive in free market capitalist America, why aren't we importing them from the socialist UK where they are cheaper?"


Not sure if you're stupid or really stupid.

Closing a market because of lobbying is cronyism not free market capitalism. Allowing a producer with a comparative advantage (in this case a much lower price) to supply a product is inherently free market. Secondly the UK is not socialist, nor are their epipen costs funded by UK government. Any other sub 90 iq takes?

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Oct 17 2019 08:04pm
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The central support beam is the public universities with research funded by tax dollars that investors latch on to at the end so that they can extract profit without risk.


Arguably 80% of the people that go to college don't need to be there. Subsidies are what made colleges expensive in the first place. The research can happen even without your welfare circlejerking.
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Oct 17 2019 08:10pm
Quote (EndlessSky @ Oct 17 2019 09:57pm)
The central support beam is a team of genius biotech scientists (bourgeois) working with a team of investors (bourgeois). They give a bunch of peons (proletariat) jobs out of the kindness of their heart. The proletariat take the jobs because its better than sitting at home and watching NCIS.


The fk are u talking about. They give people jobs because it makes their own work efficient, as well as training their subordinates for future.
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Oct 17 2019 08:26pm
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The fk are u talking about. They give people jobs because it makes their own work efficient, as well as training their subordinates for future.


That's true, but its still far from inky's proletariat s/m fantasy.
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Oct 17 2019 08:37pm
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Not sure if you're stupid or really stupid.

Closing a market because of lobbying is cronyism not free market capitalism. Allowing a producer with a comparative advantage (in this case a much lower price) to supply a product is inherently free market. Secondly the UK is not socialist, nor are their epipen costs funded by UK government. Any other sub 90 iq takes?


"Free market" capitalism always results in monopolistic control over markets. It does not and has never existed otherwise.

If the UK isn't socialist let's just go ahead and implement UK policies here like NHS.

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Oct 17 2019 09:03pm
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The so what is you can use better mechanisms rather than market distorting ones. Opening the pharma market to international competition would be a net good for reduction of healthcare costs. Once you do that you won't need price ceilings because they would reduce their prices organically to compete with cheaper drugs to a market equilibrium. I think this should be a bipartisan effort and hopefully it happens. Maybe a combo plan happens, but this is definitely something they could come together and work on, i just hope they don't pussy out and go for very weak changes.



I'm okay with sacrificing some small innovation to reign in costs. It's fucked up for Americans to pay 300 dollars for 2 generic epi-pens when in UK you can get one for like 40 dollars.

Why can't we import them from the UK? No matter how you cut this, it's a win for our country.


It's the same drug, it's just that the UK has price controls and we don't. Quite literally, the UK imports US drugs and says you can't charge higher than price X. You say that it's "inefficient" because it's a market distortion, but EVERYTHING is a market distortion (safety regulations, intellectual property laws, etc.)
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