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Apr 4 2020 02:29pm
Quote (Black XistenZ @ Apr 4 2020 03:22pm)
Again: these markets that have just reopened - do you seriously think that they have improved their sanitary conditions?


I'm not talking about how they are, I'm talking about the idea in general.

Quote (Goomshill @ Apr 4 2020 03:25pm)
well that's the whole reason slaughterhouses and meat packing plants exist and have extensive food safety regulations which aren't possible at wet markets
The Jungle kind of set it all in motion far as the US is concerned


I find it silly that wet markets can't be regulated. You can regulate small and large businesses, and it's done in the United States on smaller farms that slaughter and sell their own meat. If it can be done on small scales on U.S. farms it can be done in small wet markets in China.
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Apr 4 2020 02:42pm
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I'm not talking about how they are, I'm talking about the idea in general.



I find it silly that wet markets can't be regulated. You can regulate small and large businesses, and it's done in the United States on smaller farms that slaughter and sell their own meat. If it can be done on small scales on U.S. farms it can be done in small wet markets in China.


Some things are so inherently dangerous that the regulations necessary for public safety make small, unsophisticated operations untenable but allow for tightly regulated large commercial facilities.
A nuclear power plant can have safety regulations out the ass and be built with redundant failsafe hardware and be inspected by government regulators. A small time personal operation stacking beryllium around a plutonium core in an open public market- probably not a good idea.
Commercial slaughterhouses and meat packing plants in the US are subject to USDA slaughter regulations which cannot be achieved in open air wet markets. You can't segregate risk materials, have carcasses inspected, keep equipment sterilized, freeze meat for transport or sanitize it with chemicals or radiation.
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Apr 4 2020 03:26pm
Quote (Thor123422 @ 4 Apr 2020 22:29)
I'm not talking about how they are, I'm talking about the idea in general.
I find it silly that wet markets can't be regulated. You can regulate small and large businesses, and it's done in the United States on smaller farms that slaughter and sell their own meat. If it can be done on small scales on U.S. farms it can be done in small wet markets in China.


That's just not realistic, and therefore, this general idea you're talking about is impractical.
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Apr 4 2020 03:45pm
Quote (Goomshill @ Apr 4 2020 03:42pm)
Some things are so inherently dangerous that the regulations necessary for public safety make small, unsophisticated operations untenable but allow for tightly regulated large commercial facilities.
A nuclear power plant can have safety regulations out the ass and be built with redundant failsafe hardware and be inspected by government regulators. A small time personal operation stacking beryllium around a plutonium core in an open public market- probably not a good idea.
Commercial slaughterhouses and meat packing plants in the US are subject to USDA slaughter regulations which cannot be achieved in open air wet markets. You can't segregate risk materials, have carcasses inspected, keep equipment sterilized, freeze meat for transport or sanitize it with chemicals or radiation.


How are you defining "wet market"? What are the necessary features that differentiate it from a grocery store?
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Quote (Black XistenZ @ 4 Apr 2020 23:26)
That's just not realistic, and therefore, this general idea you're talking about is impractical.


let's be real here, by 'unrealistic' you don't mean actually unfeasible or even impossible, but rather incompatible with your preconceived notion of every non-european culture.

someone posted a lazy meme here a few days ago, where they just projected their own bigotry and racist convictions on the other side, in order to predict what 'the left' would have done if the pandemic originated in rural america. the reality is, if that actually happened, progressives would look at the underlying causes, and once again come to the correct conclusion, which is that the fault is in the system. i have news for you: extreme poverty IS a thing, especially in america with its flimsy social net to mitigate it, and people DO resort to means that you wouldn't hesitate to describe as 'primitive', 'uncultured', and 'unsafe' if they happened anywhere else in the world. that problem is not solved by pointing fingers and ignorantly assuming that there is no possible solution because people from certain countries simply wouldn't get it.
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Apr 4 2020 04:05pm
Quote (Black XistenZ @ Apr 4 2020 11:26pm)
That's just not realistic, and therefore, this general idea you're talking about is impractical.


The same China that can basically genocide Tibetans and Uyghurs without repercussion is somehow unable to stop wet markets? The same China with a social credit score and widespread implications for anything illegal?
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Apr 4 2020 04:07pm
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let's be real here, by 'unrealistic' you don't mean actually unfeasible or even impossible, but rather incompatible with your preconceived notion of every non-european culture.

someone posted a lazy meme here a few days ago, where they just projected their own bigotry and racist convictions on the other side, in order to predict what 'the left' would have done if the pandemic originated in rural america. the reality is, if that actually happened, progressives would look at the underlying causes, and once again come to the correct conclusion, which is that the fault is in the system. i have news for you: extreme poverty IS a thing, especially in america with its flimsy social net to mitigate it, and people DO resort to means that you wouldn't hesitate to describe as 'primitive', 'uncultured', and 'unsafe' if they happened anywhere else in the world. that problem is not solved by pointing fingers and ignorantly assuming that there is no possible solution because people from certain countries simply wouldn't get it.


sorry, I only made it to the point in your post where you accuse me of projection before bursting out in laughter.
this post of yours is itself nothing but you projecting your prejudice onto me.

besides, when I said "not realistic", I didnt mean "unfeasible" or "impossible", I meant "unrealistic".

of course it is theoretically possible to pull off wet markets in a safe and orderly manner. but in practice, the effort, costs, regulations, oversight and problem awareness necessary to do that just wont be happening on wet markets anywhere in the world.
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Apr 4 2020 04:08pm
Quote (Goomshill @ Apr 4 2020 04:42pm)
Some things are so inherently dangerous that the regulations necessary for public safety make small, unsophisticated operations untenable but allow for tightly regulated large commercial facilities.
A nuclear power plant can have safety regulations out the ass and be built with redundant failsafe hardware and be inspected by government regulators. A small time personal operation stacking beryllium around a plutonium core in an open public market- probably not a good idea.
Commercial slaughterhouses and meat packing plants in the US are subject to USDA slaughter regulations which cannot be achieved in open air wet markets. You can't segregate risk materials, have carcasses inspected, keep equipment sterilized, freeze meat for transport or sanitize it with chemicals or radiation.


Is there even any proof that bats were being sold at the market? Their habitat is 900 miles away.
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Apr 4 2020 04:23pm
Quote (Black XistenZ @ 5 Apr 2020 00:07)
sorry, I only made it to the point in your post where you accuse me of projection before bursting out in laughter.
this post of yours is itself nothing but you projecting your prejudice onto me.

besides, when I said "not realistic", I didnt mean "unfeasible" or "impossible", I meant "unrealistic".

of course it is theoretically possible to pull off wet markets in a safe and orderly manner. but in practice, the effort, costs, regulations, oversight and problem awareness necessary to do that just wont be happening on wet markets anywhere in the world.


what? can you not read? i accused you of bigotry, i just used someone else's projection to illustrate how you would judge different situations based on where they happened, and not based on their merits. you don't care about discussing possible solutions to issues, you care about propagating your moronic racist views, brownshirt.
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