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May 26 2022 09:53am
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Problem with this kind of analysis is that over-policing breeds higher crime rates in the long run.

It's a vicious cycle that's really hard to break out of. The only way we're going to actually break out of it is by shifting resources to the over-policed areas to improve quality of life and education.

But it's easier and a better crowd pleaser to just give the police a tank.


Another factor to consider is that we need to invest A LOT of resources into reducing recidivism rates. You're probably very familiar with Singapore's brutal treatment of drug traffickers. What doesn't get talked about much is how much effort they put into ensuring that drug users have the resources they need to succeed. Companies are actively encouraged to employ addicts, they get counseling, etc. We should have similar programs but I don't think you'll get the funding for them.

I think the way the average Joe approaches this is the following: I work hard and didn't mess up. The criminal messed up when given the same opportunities. Why should I be taxed more to help someone like that?
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May 26 2022 10:00am
Quote (thundercock @ May 26 2022 10:53am)
Another factor to consider is that we need to invest A LOT of resources into reducing recidivism rates. You're probably very familiar with Singapore's brutal treatment of drug traffickers. What doesn't get talked about much is how much effort they put into ensuring that drug users have the resources they need to succeed. Companies are actively encouraged to employ addicts, they get counseling, etc. We should have similar programs but I don't think you'll get the funding for them.

I think the way the average Joe approaches this is the following: I work hard and didn't mess up. The criminal messed up when given the same opportunities. Why should I be taxed more to help someone like that?


Yep. Tackling this problem at its root will not be a small feat, and it's easier to fund a private company with a private prison who then donates to your campaign and arm the police, rather than solve the real issue.
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May 26 2022 10:05am
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Yep. Tackling this problem at its root will not be a small feat, and it's easier to fund a private company with a private prison who then donates to your campaign and arm the police, rather than solve the real issue.


All caused by a non-homogeneous society.
Remove the ones destroying the homogeny and all these issues disappear like magic.
Diversity is never a strength.
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May 26 2022 10:06am
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Home school and homeopathic medicine.
Was ez.


Homeopathic is simply taking plants and making food/drink out of them for healing. Don't need all that strange oil , synthetic perfume or alcoho based nonsense that now the mainstream has adopted.

Schools teach kids how to use technology, how to obey without thinking for themselves(a b c d e) while failing to teach them how to make money all the while indoctrinating them into a system that is not real world past college.
All so they are not a threat to the global elite and shadow Gov.

High school drops outs w/ high iQ's far surpasses the educational scam which is also just a way of forcing insane v4xes on the entire populous to keep them spiritually blind for the rest of their lives.

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May 26 2022 10:32am
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No, that's incorrect. If the explanation for high rates of incarceration in the United States was largely the result of incarcerating non-violent offenders, you would expect to see a discrepancy between the overall incarceration rate and the rate of violent offenses. I.e. You would expect to see that the United States locks up a far greater percentage of their population despite comparably lower rates of homicide and violent crime. But we don't see that, the United States locks of several multiples of the UK on a per capita basis, but it also suffers several multiples the rate of homicide. That's not to say that we shouldn't do anything about the over-punishment of (solely) non-violent offenders, but it is not the explanation for American incarceration rates.

I have explained to you why crack cocaine and powder cocaine are charged differently. And I've explained why the quote of one estranged advisor from the Nixon administration is not particularly relevant when discussing 1980s drug enforcement. I'm not sure what you mean by "regurgitating facts", I am discussing the examples you brought up, because they don't mean what you think they mean. Rather than hopping to the next topic, try to understand what I'm saying, and then ascertain whether it makes sense, and whether you agree or disagree.


you not only failed statistics 101 but basic logic as well. that makes no sense at all. you can't simply pretend like if homicide incarcerations are proportional to the rate of homicides committed, therefore that applies to all crimes. do you genuinely not realise how dumb that is, or are you merely trying to muddy the waters because you lost the argument regarding guns and "freedom" a long time ago? seriously, the mental gymnastics you're performing in order to pretend that the government locking away millions of non-violent offenders on moronic charges for minor things is almost impressive.



i'm not even sure who you're trying to convince, or rather confuse, with your pre-schooler "logic", but it sure won't change the overwhelming consensus on the devastating impact the war on drugs had, specifically (and by design) on minority communities. i mean, the fact that you're still trying to justify the 100 to 1 disparity in cocaine sentencing, after even its racist architects and proponents admitted their disgusting motives, speaks for itself.

also, the suggestion that the war on drugs, or specifically its racial component ended with the nixon administration, trying to downplay reagan's devastating role in this, just further illustrates how completely ignorant or disingenuous you are.
in case you ever feel like doing some actual research, not just selectively quoting opinion pieces that you (erroneously) think support your ridiculous attempt to portray the war on drugs as well-meant, successful legislative effort:

https://ldi.upenn.edu/our-work/research-updates/the-war-on-drugs-as-structural-racism/
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May 26 2022 10:50am
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All caused by a non-homogeneous society.
Remove the ones destroying the homogeny and all these issues disappear like magic.
Diversity is never a strength.





they spent almost 50 grand above board for the crisis actors alone:
https://www.bitchute.com/video/HTxNXVlpcQ4u/

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May 26 2022 11:02am
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you not only failed statistics 101 but basic logic as well. that makes no sense at all. you can't simply pretend like if homicide incarcerations are proportional to the rate of homicides committed, therefore that applies to all crimes. do you genuinely not realise how dumb that is, or are you merely trying to muddy the waters because you lost the argument regarding guns and "freedom" a long time ago? seriously, the mental gymnastics you're performing in order to pretend that the government locking away millions of non-violent offenders on moronic charges for minor things is almost impressive.

https://static.prisonpolicy.org/images/global_2021_scatterplot.webp

i'm not even sure who you're trying to convince, or rather confuse, with your pre-schooler "logic", but it sure won't change the overwhelming consensus on the devastating impact the war on drugs had, specifically (and by design) on minority communities. i mean, the fact that you're still trying to justify the 100 to 1 disparity in cocaine sentencing, after even its racist architects and proponents admitted their disgusting motives, speaks for itself.

also, the suggestion that the war on drugs, or specifically its racial component ended with the nixon administration, trying to downplay reagan's devastating role in this, just further illustrates how completely ignorant or disingenuous you are.
in case you ever feel like doing some actual research, not just selectively quoting opinion pieces that you (erroneously) think support your ridiculous attempt to portray the war on drugs as well-meant, successful legislative effort:

https://ldi.upenn.edu/our-work/research-updates/the-war-on-drugs-as-structural-racism/


No, your reading comprehension is off. I'm not comparing homicide incarcerations to homicides committed. I am comparing the ratio of violent crime / homicides between countries, and then contrasting that against their relative incarceration rate. You've misunderstood my argument for 3 posts running at this point. Take a deep breath, and try to understand what I'm saying before you fly off the handle into another one of your unhinged rants.

The named countries that stick out in your graph: Brazil, South Africa, Uruguay. Are these role models for crime enforcement? They're some of the most violent places on earth. Belgium is interesting, I really had no idea they had such a problem. Perhaps they too need to start locking up a far greater share of their population.
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May 26 2022 11:08am
Incarcerate a criminal another fills their shoes that same day. How one prevents people from having to go into a life of crime, I dont know. Ultimately the conversation usually goes full circle. It's the same with housing crises.

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May 26 2022 11:11am
Quote (NetflixAdaptationWidow @ May 26 2022 11:46am)
Problem with this kind of analysis is that over-policing breeds higher crime rates in the long run.

It's a vicious cycle that's really hard to break out of. The only way we're going to actually break out of it is by shifting resources to the over-policed areas to improve quality of life and education.

But it's easier and a better crowd pleaser to just give the police a tank.


Equipping police with armored personnel carriers is a form of corruption. What we need instead is a lot more police on the streets, higher pay, and better training. Community outreach and schooling are important, but they can't solve or reduce crime on their own. Neighborhoods need to be secure for civil life to flourish. It's complicated by the fact that a lot of these communities have very little faith in government. Why is neither here nor there, there's a lot of blame to share around, but gentrification will probably help solve some of these problems by integrating them with the outside world.
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May 26 2022 11:18am
Anyone who knows anything about crime reporting and statistics knows how incomparable it becomes when you start looking at completely different methodologies of reporting and classification. Even trying to get a straight answer on US violent crimes can't be reconciled between UCR and NCVS. Homicides tend to be one of the few where you can get a real picture because yah know, a body. Belgium has a 1.53 per 100k homicide rate in 2016, the USA had a 5.39 per 100k homicide rate. Mississippi to give one state data point had a 7.9 per 100k homicide rate in 2016. By that graph, Mississippi is one of the lowest violent crime rate states, but highest incarceration. But in reality, its one of the highest homicide rate states, and has nearly 5x the homicide rate of Belgium. Despite that graph showing Belgium having about 3x the violent crime rate. Now why is that?

Its comparing apples to oranges, none of the numbers use the same scale

This post was edited by Goomshill on May 26 2022 11:19am
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