Quote (Snyft2 @ Mar 29 2022 11:37am)

nonsense is a very subjective term :wacko: for example einstein thought bohr's idea was nonsense, bohr thought everett's idea was nonsense etc :wacko:

so i propose we do it the old fashioned science way. if you dont like a theory, you dont cry how "you cant prove a negative", you instead offer a better theory :blush: ! for example, quantum theory makes no logical sense, its counterintuitive af (which is why einstein considered it nonsense). but it obviously works. and declaring yourself as antiquantum, although it sounds kinda funny, doesnt win you any arguments as you cant offer a better alternative. there is no better theory, so quantum theory is accepted

it is this simple: you have the fine tuning argument, what is your idea of dealing with it? if you reject creationism as nonsense, it seems a bit biased to think of parallel universes as non-nonsense, dont you think :unsure: ?

edit: and everyone thought einstein's idea was nonsense. starting to think that a true genius really needs the trait of not giving a single fuck what others think :lol:

Quote (CheatEngine @ Mar 30 2022 09:38pm)

I think people conflate faith, with belief, with supposing, and it muddies every discussion like this and turns things toxic where people feel they must leap into defensive/offensive stances to justify their position.

-Can anyone know for sure if there is or isn't a God? No. Like, objectively no. If you don't agree with this limitation of us as humans, there's no venue to even talk about this. This doesn't just apply to God though. You can't be certain about anything because perception of the world is not actually reality, it's just practically reality (perception is all we have to go by). Reality is different to a dog, a goldfish, an alien, but the "real objective reality" out there is unknowable. You can get to "99.9 repeating" percent certainty about your sofa in the living room existing, even if you're staring right at it. You could also be hallucinating. We could be in a simulation (although I personally think simulation theory has gone a bit too far mainstream tbh versus it's actual likelihood).

-Can you have faith that there is a God? Sure. You can live your life operating under that. Wouldn't even cause any problems. But when you interact with others and matter-of-factly reference your faith as how things simply are, conflicts will arise. A better strategy would be to continue your beliefs while recognizing that it's just a lens you see life through, and that others will likely have their own lenses.
-Can you believe there is a God? Sure! While recognizing that it can't be proven, but you merely feel like it's the most likely of all possibilities? Absolutely! But you are inherently different from someone who makes God their faith.
-Can you suppose that there is a God? Sure!!! Considering a range of possibilities is rational behavior and even refusal to rule out the "absurd" or refusing to rule out something that contradicts what we think of as 'science', is rational. You can't give the collective human knowledge credit for more than it's capable of.

Religion and science aren't mutually exclusive. A scientist working at the forefront of astrophysics is probably enlightened enough to know that they cannot possibly know for sure that there is or isn't a God, all while their whole occupation is using physical data to make predictive models. Majority of beliefs may lean one way, but I'd be surprised if anyone on Einstein or Hawking's level firmly believed a God-like entity was impossible. They left room for one to exist.

Saying "well God exists because... snakes, or something" and trying to be evidence-based, is as disingenuous as someone who accepts the big bang as fact who insists there cannot possibly be a God. Y'all aren't so different.

If it's not obvious, I'm pretty science/physical evidence-leaning, but who the fuck can even know the unknowable? So we make our best guess for practicality because we can't just sit around in a pose like The Thinker, we have to get on with our lives. We just get a little too aggressive with it.

Quote (Sh00p @ Mar 30 2022 09:46pm)

While I think that everything you post is absolute fire, I think you're way off base here.

We had this stupid book thrown in our faces that there was this magical fairy that will love us eternally, and instead we got 2 millennia of suffering that was worse than any supposed "hell" that could be made by any diety, supposed to exist or otherwise. Could there be some omnipotent creature out there? Of course! But its a fucking stupid terrified idiot for not introducing itself to the only intelligent life in all of its creation in over two thousand years.

Not saying I believe a single word of said book, I dont believe the notion that anything exists either. We're the only ones out here, and if were not, hurry your ass up because we don't have much time left. Honestly. That goes for aliens as well.

Quote (said_aouita @ Mar 31 2022 09:27am)

All I learned from this post, is that you really like emoji's.

Quote (TiStuff @ Mar 31 2022 07:41am)

to put it bluntly, scripture tells us the place is a chit hole. all you really get is a life line thrown to you so you wont drown. its your choice to grab it or drown blaming everything and everyone but your self.

Quote (Defendor @ Mar 31 2022 10:27am)

i think some people try to find god in the wrong way...

or dont search hard enough

why would god want to show his divinity to some scrub who never LIVED A GOOD LIFE!!!

god is always forgiving but he might put a checkmark by your name and say eh... fuck this guy i would never show my face to him

but i will preach til the day i die i honestly believe i have seen god in gaming through glitches and RNG

i promise you its possible to find god if your looking and actually lived with morality and virtues

Quote (lodd222 @ Mar 31 2022 12:35pm)

Except you can't live a good life in a global gotham city, the best you could do is be a batman which would be the exception.

I think your romanticizing your own illusory perception of reality that is not calibrated to what your senses are actually communicating to you aka what is actually going on.

Name a few attributes of what the good life is or what living a good life entails & i'll gladly give you a dose of the smelling salts to snap you out of that spell.

Quote (Defendor @ Mar 31 2022 10:43am)

a simple instance would be,

saw a homeless guy at the corner while i was driving to pick up a breakfast sandwich for myself and i bought 2 stopped off to drop one of them off too him HOWEVER HE DIDNT WANT IT... (i legit was offended but just was like okay because he was kinda crazy)

another instance...


just being a good father to my son (legit trying to raise another life to be better then myself)

being responsible and taking care of business...

that would be my definition of a ''good person''

dont live a life of deceit, or hate, try to love everyone around you equally... KEYWORD*** TRY***

i think transexuals are weird and i dont like them... i think they are Satans disciples

Quote (TiStuff @ Mar 31 2022 09:36am)

nobody has ever said that. blatant straw manning is unbecoming