'i don't vote for dreams' says the guy who supports the corporate puppet who acts like he'd defy his donors once elected president, despite having a decades long record of siding with them over the american people. lol.

in other words, unless someone does the impossible, which is to change your narrow mind, you will rather perpetuate the corruption in washington, than support someone who has been fighting it his whole political career.

starting to fix it isn't worth anything, huh? if bernie can't magically make every corporate funded lawmaker (which is like 99% of washington) defy their owners, you go with the guy who stands for everything you allegedly oppose. sure, that makes a lot of sense... to an 'idiot'.




what 'excuse'? biden being worse than hillary is an opinion. those transparent attempts to shame people into supporting a shitty candidate don't make any sense. you can not be ok with trump's presidency and still acknowledge that biden is awful. the dnc is not entitled to people's support regardless of how terrible the candidate is they choose.

This post was edited by fender on Mar 17 2020 09:45am

Bernie vs Biden is a choice between progressive policies that won't pass vs left of center policies that won't pass. I just don't understand those who insist on making the perfect the enemy of the good, especially when the guy in the White House is such a uniquely horrible person. Why not admit defeat on your candidate, get behind the guy who can beat Trump, and push him once he gets in the White House?

But that's the fundamental disagreement on the left right now: the progressives do not buy the argument that Biden can beat Trump, or that Biden would have a meaningfully higher chance of beating him than Bernie.

I don't think that's entirely true. Progressives think Bernie can also beat Trump, so picking the moderate/compromise candidate isn't necessary. They also seem to minimize how a Biden presidency would be vastly superior to a Trump presidency.

maybe because the primary isn't over yet?!
maybe because being 'terrible' is just marginally better than being 'absolutely horrific'?
maybe because people are tired of the dnc rigging primaries?
maybe because establishment shills trying to shame people into supporting their candidate should not be rewarded?
maybe because hoping for cosmetic improvements is not worth abandoning your principles?
maybe because you think there's no way that demented fool, with his terrible political record, and countless gaffes, could even beat trump?
maybe because every progressive knows that once in the white house, biden won't give a shit about them?
maybe because it's just not worth perpetuating this cynical system?
maybe because biden simply doesn't actually excite anyone?

dunno, just a few suggestions. of course he is the lesser evil compared to trump, once he inevitably wins this joke of a process, with all the media backing (and silence on his lies and record), dnc propaganda, and decades of brainwashing fearmongering about 'socialism' - but considering how terrible trump is, he should win without progressives anyway. i've heard that people are really excited about corporate funded centrists, so it should be easy for biden...

This post was edited by fender on Mar 17 2020 10:22am

Most opinions I've read from their side seemed to believe that Bernie would indeed have a better shot at defeating Trump.


Regarding your other point: just look at what fender wrote on the last page. Most Bernie supporters truly believe that the system is rotten to its core and that no meaningful change will be possible at all unless the entire system is torn down.

Its funny how the media is burying the fact that biden literally swore at someone and asked him if he wanted to go outside and fight over a gun law question and shushed the women trying to calm him down. If biden gets in it will be worse than trump. Guys a pos.

he's not worse than trump. on everything else i agree. especially the media's silence on biden's lies / gaffes / political record...

Lawl.

I'm curious... what policies of the Joe Biden campaign are terrible? I'd like specifics.

This post was edited by IceMage on Mar 17 2020 10:45am