Quote (theCrossbones @ Jan 26 2020 12:53pm)
how about the produce the information requested to them by a branch of government.
I HOPE D do this to you fragile R some day. Some black women refusing to give the House documents or witness and just says "fuck you we are above the constitution"
Watch all of you do a complete meltdown.
Quote (tagged4nothing @ Jan 26 2020 12:57pm)
how about that "branch of government" allow due process?
the defense team does talk about this though, so watch the video if you're actually curious to the answer.
edit: it's an easy watch. i've watched 3 days wroth of democratic accusations. it took 2 hours to crumble all of it (imo of course)
Quote (theCrossbones @ Jan 26 2020 01:12pm)
LOL perfect the House is not required to follow due process that is a legal term the house is political opinion *read about it. You are literally asking the house to do something it constitutionally has no obligation to do but are ok with the Senate doing EXACTLY what you are bitching about. and THEY are obligated by the constitution.
LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL
Quote (tagged4nothing @ Jan 26 2020 01:18pm)
let the record show the bold statement.
this statement is assuming the house is above law and precedent. a branch not equal to another, but with far more power over the others.
this completely ignores checks and balances
Quote (theCrossbones @ Jan 26 2020 01:24pm)
Quote (tagged4nothing @ Jan 26 2020 01:26pm)
you're gonna have to get a bit more specific than that. you expect me to read a link full of links to try to find "your" point?
Quote (theCrossbones @ Jan 26 2020 01:28pm)
No I am saying that in the house it is a political or otherwise driven process. The Senate is the one that is required to show legal and non partial judgement. Moscow Mitch has already proven he doesn't care about the constitution.
IE 1--Levels basic line of proof and charges 2-- the other has formal trial and proves disproves the charges. Pretty simple. The Senate is the one that has more POWER and is required to do this correctly. The house has more members per capita to be more directly responsive to the peoples "feelings" Senate is supposed to be by the "books"
Quote (theCrossbones @ Jan 26 2020 01:30pm)
No thanks if your not interested as most of the people on here why bother. I never get into facts as not one of you will listen to them.. IE wall of texts are a waste. short insults much more productive.
Quote (tagged4nothing @ Jan 26 2020 01:32pm)
this doesn't support your prior statement.
or you're just unaware of what facts are
Quote (theCrossbones @ Jan 26 2020 01:36pm)
1. How does it not?
2. I shared them with you and its "too much reading for you"
Literally the first paragraph.
If a federal official commits a crime or otherwise acts improperly, the House of Representatives may impeach—formally charge—that official. If the official subsequently is convicted in a Senate impeachment trial, he is removed from office.
Quote (tagged4nothing @ Jan 26 2020 01:38pm)
this does not in any way suggest that the House is granted authority above law and precedent.
you shared a link "full" of links. you literally linked a glossary.
Quote (theCrossbones @ Jan 26 2020 01:40pm)
Yes im stating that I don't share these things *this being an exception because nobody here has an open mind and has proven these deep dives to be too much.
Slander and insults are much more satisfying here. And you proved it by not even being able to read the first paragraph
Quote (theCrossbones @ Jan 26 2020 01:50pm)
ok.. lets do this backwards.
What law did the House break
remember those phrases from Nancy and Schiff and Schumer?
"no one is above the law"
For the record you now care what Pelosi and Schiff, Schumer say?
Noted for the record.
Quote (tagged4nothing @ Jan 26 2020 02:13pm)
you are conflating 2 things. not allowing due process to the defense. and breaking codes of law.
if you are not allowing due process, this is going above the law.
i'm going through some things to link in grounds for actual crimes committed by members of the House in this process. such a claim i feel requires some ground, so it'll take some time to write up.
or... i could just blanketly call "abuse of power"... even you admit
you have not yet given any reason as to "why" the House is granted powers above law and precedent. instead you are now asking what laws they have broken.
Quote (theCrossbones @ Jan 26 2020 02:22pm)
There is NO verbiage in the Impeachment definition for the house that refers to "due process" Due process is a legal term the house giving their articles of impeachment to the senate is NOT a legal based thing.. If it was tRump would be out. Right? If it had legal merit on its own, why would there need to be a Senate TRIAL as stated in the constitution. 2 trials? That's not allowed either you cannot have double jeopardy.. I know it doesn't fit exactly but you cannot convict somebody twice. Or acquit them twice.. You keep referring to the house's role as some legal process.. IT isn't
Nobody stopped Trump from bringing witness or defending himself in the House. Nobody did it because the KNOW the guy cannot tell the truth under oath. Not the House's problem. If they had a witness that could prove he was clear. Where was that person?
Quote (tagged4nothing @ Jan 26 2020 02:44pm)
what if the impeachment inquiry hadn't started yet? how are they given powers and authority above other branches?
even if you believe the "powers of impeachment" give the House the authority to disregard due process and write rules that go above law and order, the "impeachment inquiry" was not voted on until half-way through the investigation.
did the House have impeachment powers before voting on the impeachment inquiry? if such is the case, when do they gain powers of impeachment?
are you unable to respond to the last post?