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Sep 27 2014 07:28pm
Quote (Scaly @ Sep 27 2014 09:21pm)
I wouldn't say many... just a few high profile ones. High profile because the religious like to tout them as examples of how religion doesn't hinder science when they are but exceptions to the rule. As you said - in general the more fundamentalist you are in your beliefs the less likely you are to contribute anything meaningful to the world of science and to a lesser degree medicine.


Lol yes, the religious are the minority (at least over the past ~20 years), but the impact of the likes of Francis Collins cannot be understated.

On the contrary, a very large percentage, even perhaps the majority of major quantum physicists have been theists (I never counted so idk the proportion, but through my limited research a surprisingly large amount of revolutionary quantum physicists have been theists).
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Sep 27 2014 07:32pm
Quote (Scaly @ Sep 27 2014 08:21pm)
Lol. I wrote out a massive reply about how wrong you are but decided not to bother. I rlly can't be arsed to discuss it with someone as closed minded as you.


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Sep 27 2014 08:33pm
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I got banned for 3 hours and a 10% warn for saying god was a man made concept in the christian forums, Good times boys! There religion is so bullshit that they had to ban me rather then have a discussion with me, I mean I am a christian regardless of the fact I believe god is a man made concept, I was raised going to bible school etc, I just never believed in any of it even tho I went through the routine as a child. So banning me was an extreme and pathetic reaction.


I believe that mods taking care of that forum are Christians and have zero tolerance for who is putting in question the existence of God, the faith is fundamental in there religion.

Maybe overreaction if this is the first time you made that mistake, just don't go in that forum anymore, it is not for you.



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Sep 27 2014 08:51pm
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I believe that mods taking care of that forum are Christians and have zero tolerance for who is putting in question the existence of God, the faith is fundamental in there religion.

Maybe overreaction if this is the first time you made that mistake, just don't go in that forum anymore, it is not for you.


That's cause it's a Christian fellowship forum, not a debate forum.
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Sep 28 2014 11:41am
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0lv5XEQck80

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The shepherd repented
and tore his clothes and wandered out into
the desert.  A sudden revelation came then to Moses:

You have separated me from one of my own.
Did you come as a prophet to unite or to sever?
I have given each being a separate and unique way
of seeing and knowing and saying that knowledge.

What seems wrong to you is right for him.
What is poison to one is honey to someone else.
Purity and impurity, sloth and diligence in worship,
these mean nothing to me.  I am apart from all that. 

Ways of worshipping are not to be ranked as better
or worse.  Hindus do Hindu things.  The Dravidian
Muslims in India do what they do.  It's all praise,
and it's all right.  I am not glorified in acts

of worship.  It's the worshippers!  I don't hear
the words they say.  I look inside at the humility.
That broken-open lowliness is the reality.  Forget
phraseology!  I want burning, burning.  Be friends

with your burning.  Those who pay attention to ways
of behaving and speaking are one sort.  Lovers who
burn are another.


The mutual existence and truth of atheism and theism are testament to the dynamism of the universe and the power of the individual to create their own world.
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Sep 28 2014 12:02pm
Quote (Comus @ 28 Sep 2014 17:41)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0lv5XEQck80



The mutual existence and truth of atheism and theism are testament to the dynamism of the universe and the power of the individual to create their own world.


Idealistic nonsense. Ty for the contribution though.
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Sep 30 2014 08:00pm
Quote (IceMage @ Sep 27 2014 10:51pm)
That's cause it's a Christian fellowship forum, not a debate forum.


I never post there but i sometimes read, something good is emanating from there. Sometimes i envy who has faith, i would certainly not try to bust there bubble arguing about God's existence. I don't agree with there beliefs but who cares, they look happy and it's just the most important thing in our short life.

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Quote (IceMage @ Sep 27 2014 07:32pm)
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Scaly is right, and you are unequivocally wrong IceMage, as usual. Technological advancement has been directly hindered by religion in almost every way, except for a few examples.

It wasn't until we embraced secularism in business/research that technological advancement started to occur.

We didn't even return to the level of the Roman Empire, in terms of technology, until the 1800's, due to the backwards ways of the catholic rule in Europe.

Examples:

1. Galileo being attacked by the church.
2. The illuminati being developed to combat dumbass religious fanatics in the pursuit of knowledge.
3. The Church preventing people like Leonardo Di Vinci from dissecting cadavers and creating modern medicine (directly leading to lives lost).
4. Darwin being attacked by churches for suggesting evolutionary concepts.
5. Bush & other politicians making genetic/embryonic research illegal for religious reasons.
6. Many modern and correct medicinal practices were considered unorthodox by the church in ancient times, leading to the perpetuation of blood letting and other archaic treatments.
..etc; the list goes on and on.


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Sep 30 2014 09:16pm
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Scaly is right, and you are unequivocally wrong IceMage, as usual. Technological advancement has been directly hindered by religion in almost every way, except for a few examples.

It wasn't until we embraced secularism in business/research that technological advancement started to occur.

We didn't even return to the level of the Roman Empire, in terms of technology, until the 1800's, due to the backwards ways of the catholic rule in Europe.

Examples:

1. Galileo being attacked by the church.
2. The illuminati being developed to combat dumbass religious fanatics in the pursuit of knowledge.
3. The Church preventing people like Leonardo Di Vinci from dissecting cadavers and creating modern medicine (directly leading to lives lost).
4. Darwin being attacked by churches for suggesting evolutionary concepts.
5. Bush & other politicians making genetic/embryonic research illegal for religious reasons.
6. Many modern and correct medicinal practices were considered unorthodox by the church in ancient times, leading to the perpetuation of blood letting and other archaic treatments.
..etc; the list goes on and on.


Scaly is wrong, as are you.

1. Ah, the famous Galileo story. It's at best a blip on the radar when you look at technological progress, or even scientific progress, because it was short lived and soon the church came around.
2. Good point, they are behind the New World order after all.
3. From the quick Google search I did, it looks like this seems to be one of the many atheist claims that doesn't hold any ground.
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What about the dissection of cadavers, supposedly proscribed in a document called De Sepulturis? Did Boniface order that cadavers not be used for medical research, a ban that would land Michael Servetus in jail under Church authority 200 years later?

The reality is that no ban involving the dissection of cadavers for medical research was ever issued by Boniface. De Sepulturis actually referred to a practice of corpse abuse that probably existed at the time. The document condemns cutting up the bodies of the dead, cooking them so that the bones would be separated from the flesh, then carrying the bones back for burial in their homelands.

In De Sepulturis, Pope Boniface said that anyone committing such a barbarous act would be excommunicated. The condemnation had nothing to do with the dissection of cadavers for medical research, but dealt rather with abuse of a corpse—laws which exist in every state of the Union today.
http://www.catholic.com/magazine/articles/cadavers-calvin-and-anti-catholicism

4. That's one of the few examples, but how exactly did that hinder technological progress? inb4anotherepicstretchofthetruthfromourresidentatheists
5. Like I've said before, that doesn't hinder technological progress.
6. I don't know what you're referring to, but again, that's a hindrance of some medical progress, not technological progress.

BTW fellas, saying "there are so many more examples" without giving any more doesn't help your argument.

This post was edited by IceMage on Sep 30 2014 09:19pm
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Sep 30 2014 09:26pm
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Scaly is wrong, as are you.

1.  Ah, the famous Galileo story.  It's at best a blip on the radar when you look at technological progress, or even scientific progress, because it was short lived and soon the church came around.
2.  Good point, they are behind the New World order after all.
3.  From the quick Google search I did, it looks like this seems to be one of the many atheist claims that doesn't hold any ground.

4.  That's one of the few examples, but how exactly did that hinder technological progress?  inb4anotherepicstretchofthetruthfromourresidentatheists
5.  Like I've said before, that doesn't hinder technological progress.
6.  I don't know what you're referring to, but again, that's a hindrance of some medical progress, not technological progress.


1. The church kept him in house arrest till he died and burned his books for merely stating that the sun was at the center of the solar system (he was too well known to kill). This hindered technological advancement by making others scared to go public with their ideas, as they should have been.
2. Thank you. And it further demonstrates that people were scared to come forward with their ideas, thus they made a secret organization.
3. The church has always been against dissecting cadavers, or any manipulation of dead bodies. (http://maggietron.com/medievalmedicine/surgery.php)
4. It created fear of being isolated by the predominately religious scientific community of the time.
5. This prevented us from advancing our knowledge in the field, and creating new medicine to save lives. So, yes it did.
6. When I refer to technological advancement, I am referring to an advancement in science/knowledge.
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