LOL

this doesnt mean he will win though. if his margins with college or non-college whites decline by just 5% compared to 2016, that alone will be enough to more than offset the gains he made with black males.



same. I really expected Trump's shocking triumph to end the age of rampant PC culture and the ever-accelerating march to the left - instead it caused them to triple down, as you said.

Elizabeth Warren is neck and neck with Biden as the front runner, and if Bernie drops out, she'll receive a higher percentage of votes from his supporters than Biden will. She's most definitely not neoliberal. Trump represents the tax cutting, deregulation cutting, sloppy trade conflicting, immigration smearing fake populism. Warren represents a more genuine populism.

Also, it's not even necessary for Democrats to move. Hillary lost in a fluke of FBI and Russian interference. I understand Trump supporters want the Democrats to move closer to their own positions, the Democrats said the same thing post-2012 about Republicans. Wishful thinking.

This post was edited by IceMage on Oct 8 2019 12:41pm

You gotta let go, man. She was the worst candidate in the modern presidential era and that's why she lost.

nope, the best most qualified candidate of all the times. The guy (Pres Obama) who let candidate orange man ‘hack the election with russia’ said so

-icepeon

That just helps my argument. She had decades of baggage, was the most hated politician in America outside of Trump, and she still barely lost. Democrats don't need to change at all.

I disagree. Dems need to minimize their contributions to the culture war and not get outraged all the time. The policies of the party as a whole (not just the loud, radical left) are more popular and they also have demographics on their side.

That's an interesting take. I'll be honest in saying i've never heard the 2016 election outcome spun like that.

I don't agree with you, but that's one hell of a take.

Its true. Democrats even didn't like her. I had to pinch my nose to vote for her. She was in politics long enough for it to be held against her.

She was truly awful. Still head and shoulders better than baby hands draft Dodger lol.

Quoting Contrapoints here:

"I look at the far left and I see a bunch of people who spend all their time accusing each other of abusing moderator privileges in closed facebook groups and I'm concerned...

...that might not succeed at ending capitalism meow meow."

There is definitely a kernel of truth in there.

This post was edited by balrog66 on Oct 8 2019 01:34pm