Quote (Thor123422 @ Jan 22 2021 12:48am)
You defended Flynn because he was part of Trump's team. He was not set up, it was a voluntary meeting at the close of one investigation and at the start of the other, and he made a material lie to the FBI. The fact that you have to keep telling lies that you've been corrected on dozens of times just further proves my point.
Then you tried more than once with zero evidence to claim that Biden's transition team did the same thing Trump's team did.
Another example is that you are still parroting the idea that Russiagate was a hoax. Yeah, we don't have evidence that Trump's campaign personally made a quid pro quo with Russia, but I've personally pointed out to you that Trump's campaign had meetings they lied about, connections they lied about, Manafort got caught passing polling data to Russian disinformation while he was campaign manager, and Flynn lied to Pence and the FBI during the investigation. Once again, you've been corrected dozens of times over literal years with facts that have been confirmed by both Republican and Democrat committees, and you still bend over backwards to distort reality.
This is why I know for a fact you are feeling a lot of dissonance over what you are saying. You actively make false equivalence and distort reality well after you're corrected. It's a cornerstone of your posting style. The best part is that pretty much everybody who isn't a cultist has already acknowledged this, so I'm just beating a dead horse at this point lol. This hasn't been an emotional conversation for me no matter how desperate you are to paint it as such, I'm just doing something at work for the next week that has a looooot of waiting time between steps.
You are confusing narratives with facts.
Quote (Mueller Report)
In evaluating whether evidence about collective action of multiple individuals constituted
a crime, we applied the framework of conspiracy law, not the concept of “collusion.” In so doing,
the Office recognized that the word “collud[e]” was used in communications with the Acting
Attorney General confirming certain aspects of the investigation’s scope and that the term has
frequently been invoked in public reporting about the investigation. But collusion is not a specific
offense or theory of liability found in the United States Code, nor is it a term of art in federal
criminal law. For those reasons, the Office’s focus in analyzing questions of joint criminal liability
was on conspiracy as defined in federal law. In connection with that analysis, we addressed the
factual question whether members of the Trump Campaign “coordinat[ed]”—a term that appears
in the appointment order—with Russian election interference activities. Like collusion,
“coordination” does not have a settled definition in federal criminal law. We understood
coordination to require an agreement—tacit or express—between the Trump Campaign and the
Russian government on election interference. That requires more than the two parties taking
actions that were informed by or responsive to the other’s actions or interests. We applied the term
coordination in that sense when stating in the report that the investigation did not establish that the
Trump Campaign coordinated with the Russian government in its election interference activities.
These are the facts with respect to collusion and the Russiagate saga. The report "did not establish" that the Trump Campaign "coordinated with the Russian government in its election interference activities". Now, the report was very critical of the Trump campaign insofar as how they reacted to the investigation, and left whether that constituted separate "obstruction" up to Congress. Congress declined to pursue it as an impeachable offense. You'll note that one does not have to agree with Trump's "No collusion, no obstruction!", one only needs to take the time and read through the report, not Rachel Maddow's or Adam Schiff's rendition of it.
You simplify everything into extremes. Either one is a Trump supporter, or one is not. Either one believes that Trump did everything wrong, or he did everything right. The world is a complex and nuanced place, you need to break free from this juvenile way in which you tend to look at the world. It's not that surprising from a Bernie supporter, but I maintain hope that you can grow.
The transition comparison went over your head. Your takeaway is not what I was saying, but you have a hard time reading anything without jumping to conclusions in the exact manner necessary to protect your own world-view. Perhaps we do need deprogramming after all.