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Corbyn likes meeting with Hamas but not Chuka Umunna

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Quote (fender @ 20 Mar 2019 19:47)
yet another ridiculous and entirely baseless claim - how can you people expect to be taken seriously when all you do is lie and fearmonger?
again, the facts don't care about your feelings and idiotic conspiracy theories.


so migrants applying for asylum despite not having the right to do so is a lie?
multiple applications and reentering the country despite being banned is not a thing according to you? merkel herself saw to that when she cried about seehofers 63 point list
how about getting state handouts despite an illegal status and unknown identity?
deportations simply not enforced?
the blatant abuse of the "duldung" (exceptional leave to remain in english) despite it being very clear that this still means you have to leave the country?
ask a random police officer who is dealing with deportations, one day you get a court order to go through, the next day you will get the opposite
or how about systematically not investigating cases of terrorism/war crimes among our new rocket scientists?

thats just mentioning a few facts

bu if fender or poo dont pay their GEZ or a parking ticket in time all hell breaks loose
you can be as naive or stupid or ignorant as you like, that list of facts wont go away and no regular citizen OR legal migrant would get the same treatment

however the pathetic "punishments" for violent criminals resulting from borderline crazy efforts to give the lowest sentence possible are a fact for everyone, thats what Black XistenZ is talking about (as well as i)

but i am sure you will find a way to turn this into a fenderp conspiracy theory again

Quote (Black XistenZ @ 20 Mar 2019 20:16)
im not saying that the law treated him differently because he was a migrant - that was ampoo.

in fact, the courts and police treated him according to the law - which is exactly my point: our current law is unsuitable for dealing with individuals like him.


not when it comes to criminal charges, as i said above

however there are quite a few cases, where the islam bonus couldnt be more obvious

Quote (Black XistenZ @ 20 Mar 2019 18:06)
doing it once, probably. but then, security for important public figures would be increased and they couldnt pull it off again.

maybe I'm influenced by the german history:

during the 1970s, we had an extremistic left-wing terrorist group called the Red Army Faction (RAF) which terrorized the country for several years. but they only targeted representatives of "the class enemy", conservative politicians, generals, on one occasion, they abducted and later murdered the president of the german employer's association. during this time, a considerable amount of far-left-leaning people who werent extremists themselves secretly rooted for the RAF, some of them even gave them shelter or other logistical support. this was only possible specifically because an ordinary citizen knew that the RAF was not targetting them, it was only targetting "fat cats" that he didnt like anyway.

similarly, while a successful attack on politicians would have a higher symbolic effect, I dont know if it would instill the same amount of fear into the hearts of ordinary citizens if they knew that the terrorist were targetting public figures and fat cats instead of them, random civilians. but maybe I'm wrong.


several years? you mean decades

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ill actually edit that out, for now :D
Depends on if you reply.

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Quote (ampoo @ Mar 20 2019 09:09pm)
however there are quite a few cases, where the islam bonus couldnt be more obvious


Is that like a jew bonus ?
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Quote (Knoppie @ 20 Mar 2019 21:13)
Is that like a jew bonus ?


what would that be?
what i am talking about is that we already had plenty of sentences, where the muslim background specifically resulted in a lower sentence

a guy from chechnya stabbed his wife 19 times before throwing her out a window from the 3rd floor, then he went down and cut her throat
of course he said thats it completely normal to kill a woman for alleged unfaithfulness and the judges gave him only 13 years, because he is from a very traditional culture and couldnt know that his crime is considered especially heinous here

i have always been under the impression that our enlightened values are the standard here and not a backward, violent, misogynist and disgusting ideology
therefore its clear that there are certain occasions, where there is a bonus for muslims

german sources with the explicit statements
https://www.focus.de/politik/deutschland/entscheidung-des-cottbusser-landgerichts-aufregung-um-urteil-fuer-tschetschenen-kein-lebenslaenglich-fuer-ehrenmord_id_7240843.html
https://www.welt.de/vermischtes/article165382489/19-Messerstiche-aus-dem-Fenster-geworfen-Kehle-durchgeschnitten.html
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Quote (ampoo @ 20 Mar 2019 21:09)
so migrants applying for asylum despite not having the right to do so is a lie?
multiple applications and reentering the country despite being banned is not a thing according to you? merkel herself saw to that when she cried about seehofers 63 point list
how about getting state handouts despite an illegal status and unknown identity?
deportations simply not enforced?
the blatant abuse of the "duldung" (exceptional leave to remain in english) despite it being very clear that this still means you have to leave the country?
ask a random police officer who is dealing with deportations, one day you get a court order to go through, the next day you will get the opposite
or how about systematically not investigating cases of terrorism/war crimes among our new rocket scientists?

thats just mentioning a few facts

bu if fender or poo dont pay their GEZ or a parking ticket in time all hell breaks loose
you can be as naive or stupid or ignorant as you like, that list of facts wont go away and no regular citizen OR legal migrant would get the same treatment

however the pathetic "punishments" for violent criminals resulting from borderline crazy efforts to give the lowest sentence possible are a fact for everyone, thats what Black XistenZ is talking about (as well as i)

but i am sure you will find a way to turn this into a fenderp conspiracy theory again



not when it comes to criminal charges, as i said above

however there are quite a few cases, where the islam bonus couldnt be more obvious



several years? you mean decades


the most pathetic backpedal of history: with 'we have a two-class justice system' you only meant 'i'm not happy with the enforcement of certain immigration policies' (in some cases, but unsurprisingly you simplified that beyond recognition to justify your fearmongering). do you even have the slightest clue how idiotic that excuse sounds? thing is that i actually agree with some of the valid and reasonable criticism, but of course you can never stick to the facts, you have to spin it into some nefarious conspiratorial narrative... just like the alleged 'muslim bonus' - another completely baseless claim...
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Quote (fender @ 20 Mar 2019 21:31)
the most pathetic backpedal of history: with 'we have a two-class justice system' you only meant 'i'm not happy with the enforcement of certain immigration policies' (in some cases, but unsurprisingly you simplified that beyond recognition to justify your fearmongering). do you even have the slightest clue how idiotic that excuse sounds? thing is that i actually agree with some of the valid and reasonable criticism, but of course you can never stick to the facts, you have to spin it into some nefarious conspiratorial narrative... just like the alleged 'muslim bonus' - another completely baseless claim...


i stated the facts, that people get different treatments in this "justice" system
if you refuse to accept that the joke is on you

"just like the alleged 'muslim bonus'"

i posted an example where the judges openly stated that, are you really that retarded?
you always repeat the same bullshit by the way, nice copy and paste post again instead of addressing the point

but i get it, you simply cant post an actual argument "nazi nazi nazi, fearmonger, conspiracy this or that, thats all you got
well, or an imagined "backpedal", where there is none

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Quote (ampoo @ Mar 20 2019 09:27pm)
what would that be?
what i am talking about is that we already had plenty of sentences, where the muslim background specifically resulted in a lower sentence


Okey.. Then it's simply not relevant to the case at hand.

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Quote (ampoo @ 20 Mar 2019 21:39)
i stated the facts, that people get different treatments in this "justice" system
if you refuse to accept that the joke is on you

"just like the alleged 'muslim bonus'"

i posted an example where the judges openly stated that, are you really that retarded?
you always repeat the same bullshit by the way, nice copy and paste post again instead of addressing the point

but i get it, you simply cant post an actual argument "nazi nazi nazi, fearmonger, conspiracy this or that, thats all you got
well, or an imagined "backpedal", where there is none


ok, so you're just too dumb to understand what 'two-class justice system' means and disagree with our long standing tradition of evaluating each case on its own merits (at least when it comes to individuals from certain groups that you hate)...
anecdotal evidence, cherry picking, and feelings over facts as usual...
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Mar 20 2019 02:50pm
Few days ago i met a yellow vest supporter, had quite a discussion with him.
He didn't know what "inflation" meant and even refused to listen the definition/explanation.

I think half of the yellow vests are like that, completely out of reality.

Finally the main problem today is one will not trust people in charge because they are "technocrats", and the discussion stops here.
Stupidity victory.

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