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Apr 4 2020 07:53am
Quote (Santara @ Apr 4 2020 12:20pm)
The UK government did much the same thing. It was never official policy to "go the herd immunity route," that was just the assumption taken by people who didn't get an answer they wanted when they questioned government officials about it.


Err...no the chief scientific officer literally said on tape they were going for herd immunity. They then backtracked on it.
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^Jupe

At days 7+ if you are not on the improvement road you need to be checked out. It’s not necessarily degree of fever. No NSAIDs

Tell all your friends and family

Decompensation especially in younger individuals is typically happening after this point. People walking into ER after they have had fevers for 7 days with oxygen saturations in 60-70s and coding soon after. You DONT need a cough

Day 7+ if you are still feeling like shit go get formally checked out. If you truly don’t want to get checked out the Best device to have at home to gauge your status is a pulse oximeter, that I think you can get from Walgreens. The day your symptoms start , count to day 7. Fevers, chills , myalgia, distortion in taste/smelling, cough , shortness of breath, diarrhea are all relatively common symptoms. Don’t be a statistic.

Of course if you feel you are really struggling before day 7 then get checked out, but definitely by day 7 if still having fevers then go

The People that go downhill deteriorate violently fast (hours). Our hospital has policy where patients at this time point regardless of admission criteria will be closely monitored for 24-48 hours. I wonder as bed availability because more scarce (not there yet) if this policy will change


The day when you get better medical advice on a video game forum than you could hope for on any medical forum... thank you so much for posting this! :thumbsup: :hail:
Could be useful for other PaRDians as well, further down the road.

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Apr 4 2020 08:04am
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Why is stopping mask exports to Canada a REALLY bad idea, you ask?

Well, allow me to explain: https://www.vicnews.com/business/nanaimos-harmac-mill-works-to-fill-doubled-pulp-order-for-medical-masks-and-gowns/

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Sampson said the Harmac mill is the world’s only producer of the particular grade of paper pulp used in the manufacture of surgical masks and gowns and that the mill has been producing it since before he came to work there in 2008.

“K10S is the pulp that we’re producing for these medical supplies. We’re the only one that produces it,” he said. “Different pulp mills run different grades of pulp – almost kind of like recipes.”

K10S pulp is made from western red cedar that produces a soft fibre that makes it suitable for the final products made from it.


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Quote (Black XistenZ @ Apr 4 2020 08:53am)
The day when you get better medical advice on a video game forum than you could hope for on any medical forum... thank you so much for posting this! :thumbsup: :hail:
Could be useful for other PaRDians as well, further down the road.



It is honestly terrifying stuff because right now data is limited even though it’s been going on for several months on which demographics are at risk for sudden deterioration. We know the elderly, copd/asthma, but many young ones (30-50yr) with no previous history also are.

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Apr 4 2020 08:07am
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Err...no the chief scientific officer literally said on tape they were going for herd immunity. They then backtracked on it.


http://www.strifeblog.org/2020/04/02/uk-government-policy-in-facing-the-coronavirus-threat-an-interview-with-professor-calum-semple/

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TJM: Is the UK really taking a different approach to other countries? If so why?

CS: The UK certainly did take a different approach in the lead up to the shutdown. I am quite pleased that we did not go for a kneejerk shutdown in the 3-4 weeks before we did. That period allowed a degree of calmness and preparation to go on at a very important stage. Where otherwise we could have had a huge, essentially, “phony war”. There was a phony war during the 2009 outbreak, where we saw a spike in GP attendances and health-seeking behaviour that arrived 3-4 weeks before the real flu arrived. This overwhelmed GPs who were prevented from doing their regular work and providing standard healthcare for those who needed it. The way the government policy managed information and society this time was far more sophisticated and prevented a phony war.

The careful considered management by the Chief Medical Officer (CMO) Professor Chris and Chief Scientific Officer (CSO) Sir Patrick Vallance in the month leading up to the lockdown prevented the excessive health-seeking behaviour that could have caused an earlier overwhelming of GPs and A&E practitioners.

TJM: Do you think the government has done a good job so far?

CS: I think the government has done a good job in cautiously and systematically raising fear in a controlled manner, and this can be seen from the very careful messaging from the CMO and CSO. You can work this out from the press conferences and news clips, which were deliberately telling people about the severity of the crisis. It was realistic and conducted sensibly.

This approach got people to start stocking up – and yes some people were panic buying – but most people stocked up. Over the last 3 weeks of stocking up to the situation we are in now, it has made the lockdown a lot more manageable. Most people have filled their larders, and no one can say they weren’t warned about it. Supermarkets have been warned in advance and are able to cope with the disruptions in demand.

Think about how you manage and keep an army in readiness. There is a level of preparation, training, regular exercises to keep the army in readiness. Equipment, which is not used is checked, serviced to ensure it actually works. And this is the same for us. We have a stockpile of medication and a stockpile of masks, the equivalent to the beans and bullets in the depots.

TJM: Is “herd immunity” Government policy?

CS: It was never policy. It was an assumption by lots of speculators from the side-lines. I never saw a concept that we are going for herd immunity – this is not the case. The terminology used by Prime Minister Boris Johnson was “flattening the sombrero”. It sounds rather crude, but it is not a bad way of explaining how you flatten an epidemic curve. It is unavoidable that we will get exposure. But what is going to cause greater societal disruption is a sharp spike in epidemic activity that will overwhelm services. And this is not just about health services but also national services. [The minutes of NERVTAG are publicly available.]


Is there something inherently wrong with what he said?
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https://twitter.com/TheDailyShow/status/1246146713523453957

Many of these people reach a much larger audience than CNN... yet the right-wingers obsessed with criticizing the media are silent.


Fox News is literally gaslighting the American public.
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Apr 4 2020 08:25am
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Yes. He said the government didn't pursue a herd immunity strategy when they did, and he didn't provide any evidence to support the claim that they didn't. It's just an assertion he's making and you are taking it as reliable evidence because he's a professor and deemed as a credible source (not necessarily a ridiculous thing for you to do though)

Here's my evidence. Watch this interview with the CSO the whole way through where he literally says it

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Yes. He said the government didn't pursue a herd immunity strategy when they did, and he didn't provide any evidence to support the claim that they didn't. It's just an assertion he's making and you are taking it as reliable evidence because he's a professor and deemed as a credible source (not necessarily a ridiculous thing for you to do though)

Here's my evidence. Watch this interview with the CSO the whole way through where he literally says it

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2XRc389TvG8


I watched it all the way through, and I don't think he said what you think he said. What time stamp in the video is your reference?
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Apr 4 2020 10:27am
Quote (Santara @ Apr 4 2020 03:38pm)
I watched it all the way through, and I don't think he said what you think he said. What time stamp in the video is your reference?


4.35 to 5.05
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Apr 4 2020 10:44am
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4.35 to 5.05


Leading up to that, he said "what you want to do is suppress it, not get rid of it completely" because if they take the route of hard suppression soon, they're ensuring a higher peak in the late fall/early winter. The interviewer used "herd immunity," not Mr Vallence, but what he's describing is allowing a steady stream (as opposed to surges) of people to pass through the healthcare system to slowly build that herd immunity, which isn't a bad policy route to take, as it creates more manageability for the problem at hand.
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