Quote (balrog66 @ 20 Mar 2019 11:18)

Final update on the shooter in Utrecht:

There are currently two people in custody. The Turkish man and another unknown man. Motive is still unknown, but act of terror seems more and more likely, as the victims have no relation to the man. A note was found in his getaway vehicle that reinforces that belief.

Other details about the suspect:

He has not been abroad in Chechnya as Goom suggested. Instead he had times where he acted as if he was a devout muslim, but most people knew him as an alcoholic and a drug user, who often was a nuisance in his neighbourhood.

As far as why he wasn't in custody, during a trial people are generally still free. Only in extreme cases (where the threat to the public is clear and immediate), suspects will stay in custody during the length of their trial. This is mostly concerning the minor crimes that he had committed. For the rape, he was released under probation a month after his arrest, in exchange for his cooperation in a personality investigation (likely the prosecutors wanted him to go into psych treatment). After violating that parole by not cooperating much, he was once again incarcerated last january. A month later he was released again on the explicit promise of cooperation.

It is very likely there will be an investigation into the trial and more details will be uncovered throughout that process. From what we've heard and seen so far, the man was mostly a danger towards himself, not to others.

Quote (Black XistenZ @ Mar 20 2019 08:26am)

perhaps they dont want to target high-profile politicians? targetting random innocent civilians seems like a better strategy to inflict terror.

Quote (IceMage @ 20 Mar 2019 17:53)

I think it would make a bigger splash if ISIS could kill multiple members of Congress.

Quote (Black XistenZ @ Mar 20 2019 03:34pm)

that's exactly the point: our laws have proven to be unsuited for dealing with certain types of criminals, and therefore, they should be adapted to the new situation. the "how" is the big question, so I'm not saying its gonna be easy to find a solution. Nonetheless, I'm sick and tired of politicians hiding behind dysfunctional law.

Quote (ampoo @ 20 Mar 2019 15:59)

there already is a two-class justice system, one for regular people, one for illegal migrants

Quote (Knoppie @ 20 Mar 2019 18:16)

Not really, again they are working fine in the Netherlands, as usual..

Quote (fender @ 20 Mar 2019 19:47)

yet another ridiculous and entirely baseless claim - how can you people expect to be taken seriously when all you do is lie and fearmonger?
again, the facts don't care about your feelings and idiotic conspiracy theories.

Quote (Black XistenZ @ 20 Mar 2019 19:54)

fact is that a guy with a long criminal history, who was already trialed for murder before and who had already broken his parole conditions before was recently trialed for rape, was released on parole once again, broke his parole conditions once again, and then went on to commit this attack.

Quote (fender @ 20 Mar 2019 20:10)

and how does that prove we have a 'two class justice system, one for regular people and one for illegal immigrants'? did you quote the wrong person?

again, he should not have been in a position to carry out his attack, no one disagrees with you there - but if you're suggesting that such cases are not mistakes, that the justice system deliberately treated him differently because of his background (was he even an 'illegal immigrant'?) and that it's done consistently (to justify the two-class justice system narrative) then i can just say that you guys completely lost it. there is no evidence whatsoever to support that claim. people slipping through the cracks, evaluations that turned out to be tragically wrong, have been a thing for ages, that's not exclusively happening to people belonging to groups you hate...

Quote (Black XistenZ @ 20 Mar 2019 20:16)

im not saying that the law treated him differently because he was a migrant - that was ampoo.

in fact, the courts and police treated him according to the law - which is exactly my point: our current law is unsuitable for dealing with individuals like him.

Quote (Black XistenZ @ Mar 20 2019 07:54pm)

fact is that a guy with a long criminal history, who was already trialed for murder before and who had already broken his parole conditions before was recently trialed for rape, was released on parole once again, broke his parole conditions once again, and then went on to commit this attack.