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Oct 25 2023 10:51am
Quote (El1te @ Oct 25 2023 09:49am)
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Clarifying a position is but a part of discourse.
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Oct 25 2023 10:58am
Hamas has unveiled their superweapon
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Oct 25 2023 11:02am
Quote (thesnipa @ Oct 25 2023 12:50pm)
since when has the open support for genocide been illegal, and not covered by free speech?

or are you suggesting we deport people for things that aren't even illegal, because that's as problematic.


I'm something of a free speech absolutist.

If I were the current administration, though? I'd have the FBI investigate under the umbrella of domestic terrorism and then use their inclusion on that watchlist as reason enough to revoke (and at the very least not extend) their student visas.
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Oct 25 2023 11:12am
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I'm something of a free speech absolutist.

If I were the current administration, though? I'd have the FBI investigate under the umbrella of domestic terrorism and then use their inclusion on that watchlist as reason enough to revoke (and at the very least not extend) their student visas.


"i believe in absolute free speech, but i'd knowingly create a paperwork trail on people using that free speech to deport them"

Ufockingwatm8

absolute free speech means free speech absolutely. people her under a visa program are law abiding temporary citizens of the united states afforded the same rights (while they're here legally) as any natural born citizen.

red tape violations are still violations, temporary citizens are still citizens.

NOW, lets say you stated that all the way up to deportations, and wanted the FBI to monitor pro-Hamas visa holders for security reasons. ok, no issue. i think its largely going to amount to no arrests of sleeper cell agents, but ok.
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Oct 25 2023 11:20am
Quote (thesnipa @ Oct 25 2023 01:12pm)
"i believe in absolute free speech, but i'd knowingly create a paperwork trail on people using that free speech to deport them"

Ufockingwatm8

absolute free speech means free speech absolutely. people her under a visa program are law abiding temporary citizens of the united states afforded the same rights (while they're here legally) as any natural born citizen.

red tape violations are still violations, temporary citizens are still citizens.

NOW, lets say you stated that all the way up to deportations, and wanted the FBI to monitor pro-Hamas visa holders for security reasons. ok, no issue. i think its largely going to amount to no arrests of sleeper cell agents, but ok.


What I'd do and what I'd do if I had the administration's priorities are two very different things. The administration doesn't see (Missouri vs Biden) disinformation and hate speech as protected classes of speech, and does see parents objecting to local school curricula as a possible domestic terrorist threat. And when your activist base sees "are we possibly making a mistake by lopping the genitals off minors?" as literal violence, what is someone who champions literal literal violence?
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Oct 25 2023 11:23am
Quote (bogie160 @ Oct 25 2023 12:20pm)
What I'd do and what I'd do if I had the administration's priorities are two very different things. The administration doesn't see (Missouri vs Biden) disinformation and hate speech as protected classes of speech, and does see parents objecting to local school curricula as a possible domestic terrorist threat. And when your activist base sees "are we possibly making a mistake by lopping the genitals off minors?" as literal violence, what is someone who champions literal literal violence?


ahhh i get your posts more now, yes the base is off their rockers when it comes to "what is violence". and i dont think that's a fire biden wants to toss gas on.
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Oct 25 2023 11:38am
Quote (thesnipa @ Oct 25 2023 08:50am)
truly an idiot lol

accurate timeline:

"gays for Palestine, that's ironic, they throw gays off roofs over there"

-omg you're so ignorant, typical america, no you're an idiot, they dont throw them off of roofs

"yeah, its a common saying, no one's claiming there's hundreds or thousands of gay people literally thrown off of roofs"

-wow you're so dumb, you only believe what fox news tells you, i cant believe you think gay people are thrown off of roofs for the only form of punishment

"no one is saying that"

-lol roofs, you think they just toss them off roofs, millions of them you said, and its the only form of punishment too you said

"no, no one said that"

-haha typical americans, no one is as smart as me, i know all about islam and sharia and gaza and hamas. you dont tho, you're dumb



this is a common theme, being a contrarian sometimes gives the appearance of base level intelligence. but really he's the kind of guy in debate class that screams and thinks he's killing it but gets zero points.



This reads with a thick French accent, like the daft punk scene from family guy.
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Oct 25 2023 11:58am
Quote (El1te @ 25 Oct 2023 18:29)
Biden admin persecutes conservatives for their conservative political beliefs


Excuse me but what are conservatives "beliefs" exactly ? Stealing more oxygen ?
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Oct 25 2023 12:02pm
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Oct 25 2023 12:51pm
This notion that the Muslim world hates Hamas but loves Palestine which many on the left in the west keep trying to paint is just not reality. Erdogan came out and said what we should've already knew if you're old enough and have been paying attention. The Turks aren't even some of the more radical Muslims either. On the scale of secular-religious Turkey is very much on the secular end by Muslim standards, although to be fair Erdogan is a nationalist/right leader.

If a relatively secular Muslim country like Turkey says stuff like this (with tens of millions there i'm sure fully agreeing) what do you think the sentiment is in some of these more religious countries is?


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Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan said Wednesday he was cancelling plans to visit Israel because of its "inhumane" war against Hamas militants in Gaza.

The Turkish leader added that he did not view Hamas as a terrorist organisation but as "liberators", fighting for their land, drawing a swift and angry condemnation from the Israeli government.


https://uk.sports.yahoo.com/news/erdogan-says-cancelling-plans-visit-103153322.html?guccounter=1&guce_referrer=aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cuZ29vZ2xlLmNvbS8&guce_referrer_sig=AQAAAKPejbYHEfK2SbeLZ6C8i8uRA0uMeWhYTwVuTXsivtZ6Hb1P7JQHNJ4P2oYF0aI-ku6jWg1BCux79Aq7YjYpgyGAllBK3gcPOqVWbvg0ZBBmzGXelwyXgPzAlFCIy8Rv6WuG6206P4Gdy_FH79PrjigG9xBHsmlsYbeHIHqNQG35

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