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Sep 30 2019 07:42pm
Quote (proccy @ 30 Sep 2019 21:41)
What's difficult is separating the media and social media-based rhetoric from actual facts. On one side you have folks saying THE WORLD IS ON FIRE WE'RE ALL GONNA DIE. And half of people jump right on the bandwagon. If the sea level is going to continue rising we need to learn to deal with it, whether it's human caused or not.


I agree with that. Sea level rising and complete glacial melting is something that very may well happen in our lifetime. Is it the end of the world? Fuck no. May it cause droughts and other detrimental weather and coastal destruction? Probably.

Are the vast majority of humans going to die? No.
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The climate change on Earth is cyclic over what appears to be, a roughly 100,000 year cycle.

Does man affect climate change? Not in any noticeable way. Man thinking he affects the climate is the epitome of hubris.




Why is climate change a big thing right now? Easy. One, it's a tool being used by the socialist masses to detract from the BS that is socialism.
Two, it's a tool for lobbyists for renewable energy sources, which, to date, don't really work that well.

I personally don't have a horse in the climate change game. My CO2 footprint is pretty much non-existent. I have no stock in renewable or non-renewable energy sources.
I am against socialism, just like I'm against participation trophies.

I also know that no matter how this debate turns out, it won't change a thing. If we all went back to nature tomorrow, it wouldn't change a thing. Humans just need to realize, that they don't mean diddly in the grand scheme of things.
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Sep 30 2019 07:54pm
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The climate change on Earth is cyclic over what appears to be, a roughly 100,000 year cycle.

Does man affect climate change? Not in any noticeable way. Man thinking he affects the climate is the epitome of hubris.




Why is climate change a big thing right now? Easy. One, it's a tool being used by the socialist masses to detract from the BS that is socialism.
Two, it's a tool for lobbyists for renewable energy sources, which, to date, don't really work that well.

I personally don't have a horse in the climate change game. My CO2 footprint is pretty much non-existent. I have no stock in renewable or non-renewable energy sources.
I am against socialism, just like I'm against participation trophies.

I also know that no matter how this debate turns out, it won't change a thing. If we all went back to nature tomorrow, it wouldn't change a thing. Humans just need to realize, that they don't mean diddly in the grand scheme of things.


Well, shit. Guess we can destroy coral reefs, pollute the atmosphere indefinitely, and cut down the rain forests! Ghot gave us permission!
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Sep 30 2019 07:56pm
Quote (Ghot @ Sep 30 2019 09:50pm)
The climate change on Earth is cyclic over what appears to be, a roughly 100,000 year cycle.

Does man affect climate change? Not in any noticeable way. Man thinking he affects the climate is the epitome of hubris.




Why is climate change a big thing right now? Easy. One, it's a tool being used by the socialist masses to detract from the BS that is socialism.
Two, it's a tool for lobbyists for renewable energy sources, which, to date, don't really work that well.

I personally don't have a horse in the climate change game. My CO2 footprint is pretty much non-existent. I have no stock in renewable or non-renewable energy sources.
I am against socialism, just like I'm against participation trophies.

I also know that no matter how this debate turns out, it won't change a thing. If we all went back to nature tomorrow, it wouldn't change a thing. Humans just need to realize, that they don't mean diddly in the grand scheme of things.


Co2 and particulate matter emitted by human use have noticeable effects on the atmosphere.

The effects are up for debate, but there is a noticeable effect.
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Sep 30 2019 08:01pm
can we just post graphs now i can post a graph

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Sep 30 2019 08:08pm
Quote (ChrisKz @ Sep 30 2019 09:42pm)
I agree with that. Sea level rising and complete glacial melting is something that very may well happen in our lifetime. Is it the end of the world? Fuck no. May it cause droughts and other detrimental weather and coastal destruction? Probably.

Are the vast majority of humans going to die? No.


Nah

At the current melt rate, the Greenland ice sheet would take 13,000 years to fully melt.

Some models predict that 1/4 of the ice sheet will melt in a 1000 years with increasing temperatures.

So whatever sea level rises come, we are going to be able to see and adjust for them.

I wish climate change proponents would be honest instead of the "we are all going to die in the next 15 years if we don't do anything" theatrics. Like be honest, don't alienate potential supporters with some sci-fi day after tomorrow scenarios.

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Sep 30 2019 08:09pm
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Oh look... same graph (see black circle)...









/e

I grew up in and around Pittsburgh, PA. The pollution from the steel mills was horrendous. Sometime in the 60's I think, someone invented the precipitron.
The precipitron was a device that was mounted on the smoke stacks of the steel mills. They put a positive charge on the pollutants, and a negative charge on a grid the pollutants had to pass through.

Unlike charges attract, so the precipitron removed the pollutants from the smoke stack emissions. For some reason they collected all this particulate pollution into huge piles.
One day... some bright young lad decided to figure out a way to USE those huge piles of particulate matter. After much R&D they decided to make asphalt out of these piles of particulate matter.

Now the city wasn't ready to chance using this asphalt all over the place, so they decided to make ONE road out of this stuff. 60 years later and that road (Lime Hollow Road), still doesn't have any pot holes in one of the pot hole capitals of the US.

Pretty neat.

This post was edited by Ghot on Sep 30 2019 08:18pm
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Oh look... same graph (see black circle)...



https://i.imgur.com/sqca4fW.png





/e

I grew up in and around Pittsburgh, PA. The pollution from the steel mills was horrendous. Sometime in the 60's I think, someone invented the percipitron.
The percipitron was a device that was mounted on the smoke stacks of the steel mills. They put a positive charge on the pollutants, and a negative charge on a grid the pollutants had to pass through.

Unlike charges attract, so the percipitron removed the pollutants from the smoke stack emissions. For some reason they collected all this particulate pollution into huge piles.
One day... some bright young lad decided to figure out a way to USE those huge piles of particulate matter. After much R&D they decided to make asphalt out of these piles of particulate matter.

Now the city wasn't ready to chance using this asphalt all over the place, so they decided to make ONE road out of this stuff. 60 years later and that road (Lime Hollow Road), still doesn't have any pot holes in one of the pot hole capitals of the US.

Pretty neat.


That's impossible. Humans are incapable of affecting climate!
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