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Nov 6 2020 03:12pm
Quote (Thor123422 @ Nov 6 2020 03:08pm)
Pretty much. Executive orders are the last attempt to fix things when the system has stopped working, which is why both of the last presidents have relied heavily on them.

I just hope Biden can wipe away student loans with executive orders. Not sure if he can, but I hope lol


not a fucking chance he can nor should he. i mean selfishly i want that too but holy shit would it be bad, the banks would just fuck us elsewhere. better get a home NOW because ur rate will reflect all of the losses they just absorbed.
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Quote (Mangix @ Nov 6 2020 04:01pm)
Why would anyone cheat in Cali where trump is at a like 4.1 million deficit? Genuinely wondering. The election map from 2016 lines up to all but 2 counties in current votes in Cali, and Trump won one of those by 4k votes and the other by 20k and its not done counting yet.



Local elections.

In california, mail in ballots list the name of your party on the outside envelope. The system is just corrupt top to bottom.
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Quote (Thor123422 @ Nov 6 2020 04:08pm)
Pretty much. Executive orders are the last attempt to fix things when the system has stopped working, which is why both of the last presidents have relied heavily on them.

I just hope Biden can wipe away student loans with executive orders. Not sure if he can, but I hope lol



They cant be wiped away but the school should be made responsible for the interest.
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Quote (AspenSniper @ Nov 6 2020 03:12pm)
Ha man student loans are one area I'm with republicans on, largely. I'm 100% fine making community college free, but I think there are just too many people that could've gone to a state school for $10-12k + room&board (or commute) per year, but opt to go to a private school or out of state for $40k+ per year. I don't wanna fund that. I actually think college can be free or subsidized IF AND ONLY IF the degree is in a high demand field and students gotta pay it back if they dont graduate. Otherwise why fund it?


My state school was 12k a year and it was the cheapest state school I saw. You need to update your numbers.

Also, that's about what federal student loans will pay regardless. It's not just a blank check for as much federal loan as you want.
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Nov 6 2020 03:16pm
Quote (Thor123422 @ Nov 6 2020 04:02pm)
You're doing that thing that you complain about, where you pretend that because an organization has some shady behavior that they are always shady or acting in bath faith. When it's a group you like the conclusions of you are more than wiling to scream GENETIC FALLACY at the top of your lungs. Believe me I'm open to "the intelligence community" being corrupted, but in this case where the evidence was laid out mostly for everybody to see, the investigator was a lifelong member of the party of the establishment he was investigating, and for a few other reasons, I don't think it's prudent to assume a bias.

Russiagate was not a hoax, it turned up collusion between campaign members and Russia (notably Paul Manafort passing polling data), and also revealed an unsettling willingness to collude that was only stymied by Trump's own staff refusing his personal orders to do so.


This is not what I have said or done.
A gross misrepresentation.

I criticized the idea that we should take them at their word because they are the intelligence agencies.
This is what I was responding to:
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You mean the word of the nation's top intelligence agency officials?



More than enough information has come out demonstrating shady behavior and an ulterior motive and agenda on this specific topic (russiagate) too.
Leaked emails showing it was a deliberate strategy to undermine Trump. Setting up flynn. Many lies involving the Steele dossier(both its contents and how it was used). etc etc.
Goom went over a lot of this in much detail.

How gullible would you have to be to think Russiagate was all about merit and justice and not shady?
right after it fell apart they switched to Ukraine to impeach him over nonsense because they thought it was some heinous crime? Compared to all the shit government does on a regular basis? Come on now.
They were looking for any and all reasons.

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Quote (EndlessSky @ Nov 6 2020 04:13pm)
Local elections.

In california, mail in ballots list the name of your party on the outside envelope. The system is just corrupt top to bottom.


Then why are the turnouts still the same party makeup? Why would Democrats be hemorrhaging house and senate seats if they were cheating?
All the California districts line up 1:1 except those 2, but in the house its a 1:1 to 2016.
I just don't get how you can claim its fraud if logic points to the opposite.

Quote (EndlessSky @ Nov 6 2020 04:14pm)
They cant be wiped away but the school should be made responsible for the interest.


He can if the senate plays ball using the Higher Education Act, but i think he only spoke of getting rid of up to 10k on federal loans. Ah found a forbes article on it. Says it also wipes out after 20 years of repayment, so you aren't paying long after you're dead.

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Quote (Santara @ Nov 6 2020 01:45pm)
The same type of people who told us about WMDs in Iraq?


It wasn't just the FBI or DHS. In 2016, a former cybersecurity researcher for the Oak Ridge National Lab in Tennessee stumbled upon a major security flaw in Georgia's central election management server at Kennesaw State University. When he brought this information to the proper people, they ended up investigating him instead.

https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2017/06/14/will-the-georgia-special-election-get-hacked-215255

https://twitter.com/michaelharriot/status/1297366864859934721
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Quote (cambovenzi @ 6 Nov 2020 22:16)
This is not what I have said or done.
A gross misrepresentation.

I criticized the idea that we should take them at their word because they are the intelligence agencies.
This is what I was responding to:



More than enough information has come out demonstrating shady behavior and an ulterior motive and agenda on this specific topic (russiagate) too.
Leaked emails showing it was a deliberate strategy to undermine Trump. Setting up flynn. Many lies involving the Steele dossier(both its contents and how it was used). etc etc.
Goom went over a lot of this in much detail.

How gullible would you have to be to think Russiagate was all about merit and justice and not shady?
right after it fell apart they switched to Ukraine to impeach him over nonsense because they thought it was some heinous crime? Compared to all the shit government does on a regular basis? Come on now.
They were looking for any and all reasons.


that is EXACTLY what you have done. whenever someone points out that, while probably not election changing, the russians most certainly DID meddle on trumps behalf and with his blessing, and that republican lead committees as well as every single intelligence agency came to that conclusion, you trump cultists play the old "well, they lied about WMDs" card. yes, the CIA certainly did that, and no, one single agency alone is unfortunately never a reliable source - but that does not mean everything they say is false and unreliable when it's politically convenient to you, something you very clearly are suggesting - especially when they ALL agree, and even the people belonging to the same fucking party as the dude you're so desperate to defend come to the same conclusion.

you're really just another lazy GOP hack like goon-shill. you constantly resort to intellectually lazy and dishonest narratives like that, probably just hoping that ppl are too tired to give you the crayon version every single time you completely fail at critical thinking...

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not a fucking chance he can nor should he. i mean selfishly i want that too but holy shit would it be bad, the banks would just fuck us elsewhere. better get a home NOW because ur rate will reflect all of the losses they just absorbed.

long as people like me get a cash refund for the tuition paid for out of pocket and got scholarships for, they can forgive student debt
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Nov 6 2020 03:48pm
Decision desk just called PA for Biden after the latest update. Slight margin win on Trumps side, but its not lookin likely to sway towards him significantly enough to make up lost ground.
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