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I am no fan of sola fide. If you are not doing good works under the pretense that it is irrelevant and you can act however you want because you are saved "by faith alone", why bother doing anything at all?

The protestant fixation on sola fide is like reading lawyer legalese on how to get out of a jail sentence based on the definition of the word "the".

As it turns out, Jesus and the Apostles were not a fan of sola fide either.

Paul in Ephesians was referencing "works" as in works of Mosaic law such as not eating pork, circumcision, keeping the sabbath etc. This is made obvious because he later says that "our way of life" does not require those works, as they are not bound by Mosaic law.

Then there is this.

What good is it, my brothers and sisters, if someone claims to have faith but has no deeds? Can such faith save them? Suppose a brother or a sister is without clothes and daily food. If one of you says to them, “Go in peace; keep warm and well fed,” but does nothing about their physical needs, what good is it? In the same way, faith by itself, if it is not accompanied by action, is dead. (James 2:14–17)

Then Jesus Himself says this in Matthew 25:31-46, that if you spend your entire life doing only things for youself and no one else, not helping the poor nor tending the sick, sheltering the homeless, helping the needy, you are headed for a straight ticket to hell.



Then he will say to those on his left, ‘Depart from me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels. 42 For I was hungry and you gave me nothing to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me nothing to drink, 43 I was a stranger and you did not invite me in, I needed clothes and you did not clothe me, I was sick and in prison and you did not look after me.’

44 “They also will answer, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry or thirsty or a stranger or needing clothes or sick or in prison, and did not help you?’

45 “He will reply, ‘Truly I tell you, whatever you did not do for one of the least of these, you did not do for me.’

46 “Then they will go away to eternal punishment, but the righteous to eternal life.”

This sounds like a very stern admonition of sola fide.

I would say that you need both faith and works, and importantly you need to not brag or boast about your good works or else you already reaped your reward from doing them.

From my experience, protestants use their central tenet of sola fide as justification for their shitty behavior. Most of them are nice people for sure, but they tend to do absolutely nothing for their communities, which is consistent with the whole "works are not required" ethic. Most people in America when approached with this brand of Christianity view it as hypocritical because Jesus spent every day on this earth in service to those less fortunate but the protestant spend their days indulging themselves and not doing a whole lot else tbh.
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Quote (Dr_Lecter @ Nov 22 2022 01:52am)
I am no fan of sola fide. If you are not doing good works under the pretense that it is irrelevant and you can act however you want because you are saved "by faith alone", why bother doing anything at all?

The protestant fixation on sola fide is like reading lawyer legalese on how to get out of a jail sentence based on the definition of the word "the".

As it turns out, Jesus and the Apostles were not a fan of sola fide either.

Paul in Ephesians was referencing "works" as in works of Mosaic law such as not eating pork, circumcision, keeping the sabbath etc. This is made obvious because he later says that "our way of life" does not require those works, as they are not bound by Mosaic law.

Then there is this.

What good is it, my brothers and sisters, if someone claims to have faith but has no deeds? Can such faith save them? Suppose a brother or a sister is without clothes and daily food. If one of you says to them, “Go in peace; keep warm and well fed,” but does nothing about their physical needs, what good is it? In the same way, faith by itself, if it is not accompanied by action, is dead. (James 2:14–17)

Then Jesus Himself says this in Matthew 25:31-46, that if you spend your entire life doing only things for youself and no one else, not helping the poor nor tending the sick, sheltering the homeless, helping the needy, you are headed for a straight ticket to hell.



Then he will say to those on his left, ‘Depart from me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels. 42 For I was hungry and you gave me nothing to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me nothing to drink, 43 I was a stranger and you did not invite me in, I needed clothes and you did not clothe me, I was sick and in prison and you did not look after me.’

44 “They also will answer, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry or thirsty or a stranger or needing clothes or sick or in prison, and did not help you?’

45 “He will reply, ‘Truly I tell you, whatever you did not do for one of the least of these, you did not do for me.’

46 “Then they will go away to eternal punishment, but the righteous to eternal life.”

This sounds like a very stern admonition of sola fide.

I would say that you need both faith and works, and importantly you need to not brag or boast about your good works or else you already reaped your reward from doing them.

From my experience, protestants use their central tenet of sola fide as justification for their shitty behavior. Most of them are nice people for sure, but they tend to do absolutely nothing for their communities, which is consistent with the whole "works are not required" ethic. Most people in America when approached with this brand of Christianity view it as hypocritical because Jesus spent every day on this earth in service to those less fortunate but the protestant spend their days indulging themselves and not doing a whole lot else tbh.


the spirit causes a person to do works. the spirit touches the heart.
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Nov 22 2022 07:47pm
1Co 15:1 ¶ Now I would remind you, brethren, in what terms I preached to you the gospel, which you received, in which you stand,
2 by which you are saved, if you hold it fast--unless you believed in vain.
3 For I delivered to you as of first importance what I also received, that Christ died for our sins in accordance with the scriptures,
4 that he was buried, that he was raised on the third day in accordance with the scriptures,
5 and that he appeared to Cephas, then to the twelve.
6 Then he appeared to more than five hundred brethren at one time, most of whom are still alive, though some have fallen asleep.
7 Then he appeared to James, then to all the apostles.
8 Last of all, as to one untimely born, he appeared also to me.,
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Quote (Meanwhile @ Nov 22 2022 05:59pm)


never heard militant lgbtqstds crotch glorification pride people be forgiving or considerate about anything. that "pride" is the main point of their celebration should be a warning to anyone
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never heard militant lgbtqstds crotch glorification pride people be forgiving or considerate about anything. that "pride" is the main point of their celebration should be a warning to anyone


you can't win when the lord forgives

This post was edited by Meanwhile on Nov 22 2022 08:38pm
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Quote (Meanwhile @ Nov 22 2022 06:37pm)
you can't win when the lord forgives


unbelievers/disbelievers never get anything right and are the greatest proof of scripture. Jesus forgiving is the only win.
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Nov 23 2022 03:50am
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Question for you, how often do you go to Church every Year?
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unbelievers/disbelievers never get anything right and are the greatest proof of scripture. Jesus forgiving is the only win.


Quote (CPK001 @ 23 Nov 2022 10:50)
Question for you, how often do you go to Church every Year?


the lord forgives everything, we are saved !
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Quote (Meanwhile @ Nov 23 2022 04:45am)
the lord forgives everything, we are saved !


better repent if you want forgiveness.
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