Speaker of the House of Commons just casually walking to work? Is this normal in the UK?

How have the snackbars not caught onto this? If I was a terrorist, fuck knife or car attacks against plebs, just pick off these guys.

Final update on the shooter in Utrecht:

There are currently two people in custody. The Turkish man and another unknown man. Motive is still unknown, but act of terror seems more and more likely, as the victims have no relation to the man. A note was found in his getaway vehicle that reinforces that belief.

Other details about the suspect:

He has not been abroad in Chechnya as Goom suggested. Instead he had times where he acted as if he was a devout muslim, but most people knew him as an alcoholic and a drug user, who often was a nuisance in his neighbourhood.

As far as why he wasn't in custody, during a trial people are generally still free. Only in extreme cases (where the threat to the public is clear and immediate), suspects will stay in custody during the length of their trial. This is mostly concerning the minor crimes that he had committed. For the rape, he was released under probation a month after his arrest, in exchange for his cooperation in a personality investigation (likely the prosecutors wanted him to go into psych treatment). After violating that parole by not cooperating much, he was once again incarcerated last january. A month later he was released again on the explicit promise of cooperation.

It is very likely there will be an investigation into the trial and more details will be uncovered throughout that process. From what we've heard and seen so far, the man was mostly a danger towards himself, not to others.

because london and europe in general are not the distopian hellholes full of muslim terrorists like your propaganda channels suggest.

not at all surprised that this is news to you though...

I strongly assume that the entire parliament district is heavily surveilled and patrolled by the police.

find the error...





well, "mostly"... except for the murder and the rape charges.

Most people (including me) of course agree that in hindsight he shouldn't have been free. The issue is going to be whether the court has made mistakes in releasing him with the information they had at the time (and whether certain information was missing, IE things that our intelligence agency might know but didn't share with the courts).

Makes sense if you look at it as an isolated incident. But it's not. Far too often, we've heard similar criminal histories come out after terrorist attacks. There seems to be a systemic problem in our justice system (all across europe really!) where our leniency and willingness to grant a second and third and fourth .... chance to violent criminals backfires.

I dont know what we can do about it either, but I think we should at least acknowledge that there is a problem and start a public discussion about how to prevent similar cases from happening going forward.

This post was edited by Black XistenZ on Mar 20 2019 05:34am

potential threats slipping through the criminal system, mistakes that turned out to be costly is unfortunately not a new problem though. it's absolutely tragic, and ofc i wish this kind of shit would never happen, but unfortunately it always has. i know that talking point is very prominent in your echo chamber and amplified by anecdotal evidence collected in 'databases' and hate threads exclusively focusing on cases committed by migrants, brown skinned people, and muslims, but you can't have a justice system focused on rehabilitation for one part of the population, and a different one for groups you hate. how would that work? would you mark them for special treatment? with, let's say an armband or something? or maybe a booklet documenting their heritage?
it's fair to criticise the mistakes (if they were made) and to support a system that is generally more punitive and harsher (ofc the laws would have to be changed accordingly then), but to suggest it's somehow a new problem or one that only applies to the people you hate is just your usual bigotry, just emotions over facts again...

I never said that I want a two-class criminal system that discriminates against "brown" people. That's your fantasy running wild...

Oh, and btw, the same criminal histories are also often times found when it comes to lily white criminals from eastern europe. This is not exclusively a white vs brown thing. If anything, it's a western european culture vs more archaic, violence-prone cultures thing.

And again: I dont know what we can do about it either. But we at least should start thinking about it, instead of burying our head in the sand. When dealing with people with a certain cultural background, with a certain socializatin, our rehabilitation-focused criminal justice system is failing far too often.

This post was edited by Black XistenZ on Mar 20 2019 06:14am

can't disagree with any of that, but that does not change the facts about WHAT kind of situations people like you tend to bring this up. when some child molester on parole does horrible stuff, when a neo nazi terrorist cell murders people in germany, when some random violent scumbag slips through the cracks and goes on a rampage, you people are strangely silent and realistic about the flaws and drawbacks of really ANY justice system that is firmly based on and executed strictly according to law.
if it concerns people of a certain group it's all of a sudden 'activist judges' that are just 'way too lenient' or for whatever reason 'support sharia law' (and similarly retarded theories) - then the rule of law and equal standards for everyone isn't good enough anymore...

and while you justifiably claim that you never SAID you wanted a two-class criminal system, your posts still suggest it. just look at that last sentence of yours...



This post was edited by fender on Mar 20 2019 06:27am