Why would anyone cheat in Cali where trump is at a like 4.1 million deficit? Genuinely wondering. The election map from 2016 lines up to all but 2 counties in current votes in Cali, and Trump won one of those by 4k votes and the other by 20k and its not done counting yet.

This post was edited by Mangix on Nov 6 2020 03:04pm

You're doing that thing that you complain about, where you pretend that because an organization has some shady behavior that they are always shady or acting in bath faith. When it's a group you like the conclusions of you are more than wiling to scream GENETIC FALLACY at the top of your lungs. Believe me I'm open to "the intelligence community" being corrupted, but in this case where the evidence was laid out mostly for everybody to see, the investigator was a lifelong member of the party of the establishment he was investigating, and for a few other reasons, I don't think it's prudent to assume a bias.

Russiagate was not a hoax, it turned up collusion between campaign members and Russia (notably Paul Manafort passing polling data), and also revealed an unsettling willingness to collude that was only stymied by Trump's own staff refusing his personal orders to do so.

I think this is getting at something important.
Some people just don't know any better and need time to adapt.
Many people often react negatively and with hostility to hearing they are wrong or facts that are dramatically outside of their worldview and what they have been led to believe. Especially if it isn't presented the right way. Getting angry at them isn't going to help any.

Of course there are also some people of such low quality, like fender, that falsely pretend you are a white supremacist for saying truths they don't like and completely shut themselves off from any difference of opinion or argument. You mentioned showing him the way, but i don't think too much time should be wasted on that anymore. Opportunity cost and all that. Time would be better spent elsewhere. Going down to the farm and trying to convince a cow would be more productive.


I have nothing against people who want to live off the grid and get away from these people, but its not really for me.
I'm a big fan of some modern luxuries/technology and the division of labor.
I prefer a strategy of fighting back against the evils of big government and trying to persuade people and peacefully coexisting. (Harder to do these days with people whipped into a frenzy)
Letting them go unchecked doesn't seem great.

The plus to this being close is that Trump will be so worried about lawsuits and trying to somehow win, that hopefully he wont burn the country to the ground with executive actions for his last 2 months in power.

I hope so as well.

if he does tho Biden just tears them up. thats the plus side of executive orders i guess.

Thank fucking god he is gonna be able to tear up the 1776 bullshit

Pretty much. Executive orders are the last attempt to fix things when the system has stopped working, which is why both of the last presidents have relied heavily on them.

I just hope Biden can wipe away student loans with executive orders. Not sure if he can, but I hope lol

Ha man student loans are one area I'm with republicans on, largely. I'm 100% fine making community college free, but I think there are just too many people that could've gone to a state school for $10-12k + room&board (or commute) per year, but opt to go to a private school or out of state for $40k+ per year. I don't wanna fund that. I actually think college can be free or subsidized IF AND ONLY IF the degree is in a high demand field and students gotta pay it back if they dont graduate. Otherwise why fund it?