Maybe in America... But Americans have been gaslit so fucking hard by decades of McCarthyist rhetoric that they can't conceive of anything left of a SocDem that isn't a Stalinist.

You don’t need to know anything about pigs to understand industry regulating itself isn’t a good idea.
Do you think untrained employees of the slaughterhouse should be performing these inspections?

… i mean to assume people who work the industry would be untrained is just an assumption.

i said the market can have an important role in regulation. If a company puts out bad product or product that's causes just a few people to get ill, well then their reputation goes down, potentially losing millions in sales. This is a strong incentive for private companies to keep inspections of product as a priority. Hence they would train employees or inspectors to do the job.

But i don't know a lot about the industry (but neither does tweeter or fender or u) and im not saying regulation is bad. But in this case, u could make an argument that the market/industry can regulate itself just fine and government intervention is no longer necessary. (in the past, yes it probably was needed, but in todays world where if a few people get sick at chipotle the news spreads across the country in a week). Maybe this is cutting government cost, unnecessary regulation, which could be a good thing.

all im saying is we don't know yet, we don't know the industry, the tweet and fender just egregiously posted is without much thought.

This post was edited by GuyLadouche on Sep 19 2019 07:07am

Capitalism is not a government.

Did you even look into this?
A simple google search tells me these changes have already been implemented in test projects for many years so we do know how it’s going to work. Plants are using employees that have no training ( it’s optional at the discretion of the plant in the test program ) to perform inspections. The numbers of kills per hour is also increased so not every animal can be properly inspected.

It takes a special kind of stupid to believe that any industry over seeing itself is’nt going to work like closing a barn door after the all the animals are out. Third party inspections are mandatory if you actually want quality ensured. It doesn’t have to be the government, but it can’t be a party who has no power over the individual business and even worse the buidiness has power over them. This is just common sense.

Also why do you assume I know nothing about Hogs and the industry in general?
I grew up on a hog farm and I have been inside several slaughter plants , I don’t know everything, but I do know something.
Also my work in industrial construction and maintenance gives me a pretty good knowledge of the value of third party Independant inspections.

This post was edited by remco6 on Sep 19 2019 07:40am

He knows worse than nothing about politics and industry.

He thinks trump bad and trump did a thing so thing is bad and so is trump.

This gets out of hand to the point that he is willing to unironically post MotherJones tweets as if they are a reputable source and not dishonest scumfucks.

? hence why the tweet is dumb.

but you understand that in a free market, the consumer has complete power over the individual business? Like you can choose what you want to buy? And if your product is crappy, eventually the market will realize that and eliminate the company. i think this is especially true in food market.
If you get sick eating somewhere, you probably wont go back there, or buy that thing again. And that message of it being a bad product can be spread very fast by social media. (lettuce recalls, chipotle, etc etc) Do you understand this concept? Im pretty sure consumer companies understand this and would take steps to satisfy consumers needs as best they could (ie provide employees with proper training whatever that may be)

I didn't say regulation was bad, but the tweet and repost of it was made to seem like this deregulation was a bad thing. And i just thought that it was a dumb tweet/post. Consumer market works almost as a sort of regulation in this case.

You are the one who made an assumption that untrained workers would be making inspections. and for the record no i didn't look into this story at all. I can just recognize fake news and poor tweets when i see them.

This post was edited by GuyLadouche on Sep 19 2019 08:29am

Canada managed to get an artist in charge, congrats.
I wish China, Us, or Russia do the same instead of shaming human specie.



This post was edited by Saucisson6000 on Sep 19 2019 08:36am