So what are you guys allowed to use, breech-loading rifles?

This post was edited by CarsV on Sep 16 2019 06:38pm

Yeah, bolt action mostly.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Puckle_gun

See also: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kalthoff_repeater




On another issue entirely...

Trump says he does not want war after attack on Saudi oil facilities

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-saudi-aramco/trump-says-he-does-not-want-war-after-attack-on-saudi-oil-facilities-idUSKBN1W10X8










This post was edited by Ghot on Sep 17 2019 01:37am

yes i do have a lot of experience shooting such guns. if you just hold the trigger down on a pack of people the barrel will rise and you'll be off target very quickly. your point that people don't need them for home defense is valid, but home defense doesnt encapsulate all of the motivation for the 2nd amendment. while i dont often prescribe to the idea of fighting off a tyrannical govt it's logically valid for owning such weapons. my overall point was that an automatic weapon is only situationally better than semi auto, and i'd further argue semi auto is more advantageous in more shooter situations. also, automatic weapons themselves are illegal. automatic weapons are good at maiming larger numbers, semi auto is better at killing people. automatic fire just isn't accurate. i used COD as an example for 2 reasons, 1 auto vs semi auto accuracy was done well and people use semi auto for the most part or burst fire, 2 its relate-able to people who dont have the experience firing guns first hand that i have.

Holy shit. That's Rob Zombie.

As someone who has played a fair amount of CoD and shot a fair amount of guns, you're pretty spot on. They have pretty realistic gun fire patterns (auto guns spray/rise up, Semi auto much more accurate). Sadly, i haven't fired any SAM missle launchers or 50 cal sniper rifles so i can't comment on those. Occasionally they'll introduce an OP fully auto rifle that'll shoot like a laser beam, but that's rare.

the only thing they got "wrong" on 50 cals is people spray firing them and taking massive numbers of shots. im sure if you were a masochist you could do it, but that recoil would tear your shoulder up. even my 300 win mag, which thumps back about 35 pounds every trigger pull, hurts after a few shots. laser sighting in rifles is fucking awesome for that reason lol.

but yeah my overall point is that rate of fire doesn't equate perfectly to potential body count. it's not as if each bullet magically finds its way into a kill shot. and with shooters only carrying a select amount of ammo going full auto seems like a poor choice. The Vegas shooting was somewhat rare in the fact that it involved a camped out shooter with a fuckload of guns and ammo. most shooters are 1-2 gun carrying dudes with a limited number of clips.

i'm always a bit confused how automatic makes it into the conversation so often when they're rarely used. yes assault weapons can be modified into automatic, that is a fact, but it's also a fact that MANY shooters aren't bothering to do it. and that's for a reason. you're attacking soft targets, accuracy > rate of fire.