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Quote (Neptunus @ Sep 16 2019 07:34am)
More like the AR is a powerful weapon that is more lethal than a pistol. Mass shootings will cause more casualties when using an AR. It can also be quite easily modified into an automatic gun.

From a personal safety point of view the pistol is a much more adequate choice. Bullet vests exist, yes, but if the aggressor is armed to the tooth might as well be game over anyway. That pic is quite the strawman imo.


A 7.62 rifle round hits with nearly twice as much force as a 5.56 round. A 300 Winchester Magnum, three times. All will pierce body armor. As a matter of fact, a 5.56 hits with almost the same force as a .22 LR. The fact of the matter is that ANY rifle is dangerous to body armor. ANY rifle is useful on a battlefield. Only ONE is villainized.

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both statements are correct and dont contradict one another?!


Or neither statement is correct.

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I didnt know soldiers were naked with only an AR 15. Its almost like there might be other things that would stop a civilian militia from opposing the modern U.S. military


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Quote (Neptunus @ Sep 16 2019 05:34am)
More like the AR is a powerful weapon that is more lethal than a pistol. Mass shootings will cause more casualties when using an AR. It can also be quite easily modified into an automatic gun.

From a personal safety point of view the pistol is a much more adequate choice. Bullet vests exist, yes, but if the aggressor is armed to the tooth might as well be game over anyway. That pic is quite the strawman imo.


mass shootings(literal terrorist attacks) are highly over politicized and not a reasonable threat worth violating rights for
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Quote (Santara @ Sep 16 2019 08:21am)
A 7.62 rifle round hits with nearly twice as much force as a 5.56 round. A 300 Winchester Magnum, three times. All will pierce body armor. As a matter of fact, a 5.56 hits with almost the same force as a .22 LR. The fact of the matter is that ANY rifle is dangerous to body armor. ANY rifle is useful on a battlefield. Only ONE is villainized.



Or neither statement is correct.



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Quote (Santara @ Sep 16 2019 04:21pm)
A 7.62 rifle round hits with nearly twice as much force as a 5.56 round. A 300 Winchester Magnum, three times. All will pierce body armor. As a matter of fact, a 5.56 hits with almost the same force as a .22 LR. The fact of the matter is that ANY rifle is dangerous to body armor. ANY rifle is useful on a battlefield. Only ONE is villainized.



Or neither statement is correct.



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That was my point when i talked about bullet vests - they only stop handgun ammo. Indeed it is stupid if only one is demonized, i was just using the AR as an example but i didn't really make the distinction between assault rifles in general, all are more lethal than a pistol. If you really want stopping power, get a hunting rifle? :D they're not as easily made into an automatic one and aren't usually equipped with large magazines.

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mass shootings(literal terrorist attacks) are highly over politicized and not a reasonable threat worth violating rights for


A position that can be debated. Do you think that the govt spying more on citizens to prevent terrorist attacks is a violation of rights, even if they were Muslims?

This post was edited by Neptunus on Sep 16 2019 12:25pm
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Quote (Santara @ Sep 16 2019 08:21am)
A 7.62 rifle round hits with nearly twice as much force as a 5.56 round. A 300 Winchester Magnum, three times. All will pierce body armor. As a matter of fact, a 5.56 hits with almost the same force as a .22 LR. The fact of the matter is that ANY rifle is dangerous to body armor. ANY rifle is useful on a battlefield. Only ONE is villainized.

Or neither statement is correct.


Problem solved!

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Quote (Neptunus @ Sep 16 2019 01:22pm)
That was my point when i talked about bullet vests - they only stop handgun ammo. Indeed it is stupid if only one is demonized, i was just using the AR as an example but i didn't really make the distinction between assault rifles in general, all are more lethal than a pistol. If you really want stopping power, get a hunting rifle? :D they're not as easily made into an automatic one and aren't usually equipped with large magazines.



A position that can be debated. Do you think that the govt spying more on citizens to prevent terrorist attacks is a violation of rights, even if they were Muslims?


just for reference tho, no one has used a modified semi automatic rifle that's been altered to shoot automatic in a mass shooting. unless we're counting the bump stocks used in the Vegas shooting. and it should be noted that full automatic firing is actually not an advantage in mass shootings in many cases as it greatly decreases accuracy.

basically, you're not wrong they can be rigged to shoot or mimic automatic firing, it's just not an advantage. you'd kill far more people just pulse firing a semi automatic at about 1 round per second. plenty of time to recover and reaim, especially since many shootings are over in a matter of minutes.
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