Yes it IS natural over tens and hundreds of thousands of years. So let's not be fooled into thinking that looking at this very large time span occurrence, and thinking that sampling a very very tiny segment, is at all indicative of anything... but politics.

yes, i am sure hong kong would be much better off if the demonstrators were armed with assault weapons, shooting at police. it's not like the tanks and troops stationed directly at their doorstep would have moved in, put the city under military rule, killing thousands in the process, no... most likely, the chinese government would be so afraid, they'd just leave them alone...

gun nuts are so deluded...

Yeah, you were doing pretty well in WW II until the gun nuts showed up. And please, let's not get into Russia again. The US (the gun nuts) supplied Russia with the weapons as well.

The change we see in the past fifty years should normally take fifty thousand years. The reason is that humans are directly causing the current change.

Not necessarily true. Depends on where we are falling of the grand scale. Or whether or not this change in the past fifty years is not just an aberration... a spike in the graph... if we had a graph that was more than say 100 years old.
ALL we are seeing is a change. We have neither the records or the know how to actually interpret that change.

And it doesn't even matter how "educated" the interpreters might be. By definition they don't have the experience (due to the vast time scales), to even attempt an interpretation.


Let's assume for a second that this is the graph for the temperature swings in the past 4 billion years...











Let's also assume that we are NOW, at the very end of this graph (the far right). A 50 year sample on a graph this large, means absolutely nothing. Actually it means less than nothing. The last 5000 years would be about .00000000000000000000000000000000000000001 pixels.
We have no real clue whether we are still in the trough or on the rising side of a crest. Even assuming that humans could in anyway affect this graph, short of say an all out nuclear war... is ludicrous.






/e I can just see the Earth typing: ROEL (rolling on the ecliptic laughing). Imma just slap some glacier action on these folk so they BEGIN to understand that they mean....diddly.

This post was edited by Ghot on Sep 15 2019 09:08am

Yeah... and in approx. 1000 BC Scientists KNEW dragons were eating the sun.

All that glorious evidence you quoted, means diddly. It's not even a fart on the timescale of Earth.

Hell, an all out nuclear war would only cause a nuclear winter. Not a nuclear ice age. 80 years ago the premier source of weather information was the Farmer's Almanac.



A history of greenhouse gases stretching back 800K years (if even accurate) is still nothing com[pared to the age of Earth and IT'S climate cycles. We have idiots running around these days, talking about cow farts. I guess they neglected to consider that all the dinosaur farts, didn't cause global warming.

Hell the dinosaur killer (whatever that actually was) didn't really affect the Earth, either.




What we DO have in the last century is a pile of scientists that have to publish or perish. That is the reality.


My favorite publish or perish act lately... has been "we saw the black hole at the center of the galaxy M87". We can't see the black hole at the center of our galaxy because: "We would be trying to see it sideways through our galaxy.

Iirc, our galaxy is spiral and 26 million LY to the center. M87 is globular and larger than the milky way, and 53 million LY away. But yeah, we can SEE that black hole. (and by SEE I mean... prove it's existence and determine it's size).




Scientists are stuck between a rock and a hard spot. They are in an unappreciated field, where you have to publish or perish. They can't do any science if they perish. So they are "forced" to publish just about every half baked idea they come up with.

The Paris Climate Accord... is nothing more than France trying to hang on to it's past glories. It's politics.









/e Let's assume for sake of argument that NASA is 100% correct in their 800K years of data. That's still only about 1/5000th of the age of the Earth. I'm sure you've all built puzzles before... maybe even a 5000 piece puzzle. ALL the climate data we have (if correct) is only ONE puzzle piece out of a 5000 piece puzzle. Yet here we are claiming to know what the big picture is with only ONE puzzle piece.

This post was edited by Ghot on Sep 15 2019 09:41am

So when is that boomer genocide gonna happen?

1946 – 1964 + average american male life expectancy => ~2022-2042

SOON™

This post was edited by Saucisson6000 on Sep 15 2019 10:19am