i dont know why but that was really funny




probably pretty much ev1 has this concern. but the scripture is crystal clear on that subject. we are fallen creatures in a fallen world on the path of man ruled by satan. the reason it is allowed to continue is only for the ones that will come to salvation (repent) once that is done the last days come and the place is destroyed, the nightmare ends.
(understand its only by grace salvation is offered at all)



what is wrong with unicorns?






who go to ............church?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5mRFnczddLs

This post was edited by TiStuff on Mar 30 2022 10:31pm

I think people conflate faith, with belief, with supposing, and it muddies every discussion like this and turns things toxic where people feel they must leap into defensive/offensive stances to justify their position.

-Can anyone know for sure if there is or isn't a God? No. Like, objectively no. If you don't agree with this limitation of us as humans, there's no venue to even talk about this. This doesn't just apply to God though. You can't be certain about anything because perception of the world is not actually reality, it's just practically reality (perception is all we have to go by). Reality is different to a dog, a goldfish, an alien, but the "real objective reality" out there is unknowable. You can get to "99.9 repeating" percent certainty about your sofa in the living room existing, even if you're staring right at it. You could also be hallucinating. We could be in a simulation (although I personally think simulation theory has gone a bit too far mainstream tbh versus it's actual likelihood).

-Can you have faith that there is a God? Sure. You can live your life operating under that. Wouldn't even cause any problems. But when you interact with others and matter-of-factly reference your faith as how things simply are, conflicts will arise. A better strategy would be to continue your beliefs while recognizing that it's just a lens you see life through, and that others will likely have their own lenses.
-Can you believe there is a God? Sure! While recognizing that it can't be proven, but you merely feel like it's the most likely of all possibilities? Absolutely! But you are inherently different from someone who makes God their faith.
-Can you suppose that there is a God? Sure!!! Considering a range of possibilities is rational behavior and even refusal to rule out the "absurd" or refusing to rule out something that contradicts what we think of as 'science', is rational. You can't give the collective human knowledge credit for more than it's capable of.

Religion and science aren't mutually exclusive. A scientist working at the forefront of astrophysics is probably enlightened enough to know that they cannot possibly know for sure that there is or isn't a God, all while their whole occupation is using physical data to make predictive models. Majority of beliefs may lean one way, but I'd be surprised if anyone on Einstein or Hawking's level firmly believed a God-like entity was impossible. They left room for one to exist.

Saying "well God exists because... snakes, or something" and trying to be evidence-based, is as disingenuous as someone who accepts the big bang as fact who insists there cannot possibly be a God. Y'all aren't so different.

If it's not obvious, I'm pretty science/physical evidence-leaning, but who the fuck can even know the unknowable? So we make our best guess for practicality because we can't just sit around in a pose like The Thinker, we have to get on with our lives. We just get a little too aggressive with it.

vid unavailable, but the whole whole scientism crew, ND tyson included, needs some basic math and probability lessons. It's very self evident that the world is fine tuned. Visual perception reveals alot of it, which is natural and does not require learned language but was actually the 1st kinds of languages or communication methods. How dawkins would mathematically attempt to explain chaos forming a very fined tuned reality or theory and still call that non intelligent just goes to show how blind the world is and how punch drunk they are. It reminds me of when a monk like preacher told him rocks have a kind of frequency and consciousness and he goes but rocks cant' be alive in anyway, etc. Obviously hes never heard of LCD display or crystal healing or historically gems as jewelry w/ value from their function. Dawkins not too bright he was perfect figure head for anti christianity and crusading against the bible because 1% of hypothetical science knowledge is proof of his theory ofc Dawkins even tried to pretend to be some kind of unbias sociologist studying religiosity in culture portraying it as a kind of defect failing to grasp that he was infact going against the historic culture. The issue being lack of explanation on the belief or claim that evil spirits cause sickness which he only fed into by scoffing at them instead of being the enlightened one to sort out the explanation.

So even if the historic culture were stupid instead of in the know but failing to explain it in greater detail, he was acting far more stupid by naysaying with out providing an explanation for the difference in belief systems which would have been evidence for his alleged superior atheist view point.

This post was edited by lodd222 on Mar 30 2022 10:41pm

While I think that everything you post is absolute fire, I think you're way off base here.

We had this stupid book thrown in our faces that there was this magical fairy that will love us eternally, and instead we got 2 millennia of suffering that was worse than any supposed "hell" that could be made by any diety, supposed to exist or otherwise. Could there be some omnipotent creature out there? Of course! But its a fucking stupid terrified idiot for not introducing itself to the only intelligent life in all of its creation in over two thousand years.

Not saying I believe a single word of said book, I dont believe the notion that anything exists either. We're the only ones out here, and if were not, hurry your ass up because we don't have much time left. Honestly. That goes for aliens as well.

"vid unavailable,"
Its fixed

you ever heard of? dawkins talked about eating human flesh. all the pop culture antitheists go off the deep end. scripture does say "God is not mocked".

This post was edited by TiStuff on Mar 30 2022 10:50pm

i...okay i didnt expect that

this atheist church looks like a vegan trying to make the plants taste like real meat

That shits nasty.

i agree !

also, hello there ! or actually, good night cause i really need some sleep

meat eaters are like savages trying to turn the vegetarian designed human dental structure into some strange blood fetish.

I don't know if this has been studied very well, but I'd expect that belief in higher beings (and arising conflict of those belief systems) might've happened when humans were primitive / pre-language. In whatever ways we could communicate with each other "as cavemen" (realllly haven't read up on this lol), at some point that behavior evolved into whatever groups started worshipping the sun, or astral objects, etc. They probably started doing it out of realization that the sun brought warmth and facilitated life, but as humans got more sophisticated, a belief that the sun itself was a human-like entity had spun off. It's probably only natural to assume that something giving life to all is akin to the mother that gave you life. We just took it way too fucking far, lol, like the first sign that something mysterious happened that transcended human limits, we named that person the son of God. If it hadn't ended up being Jesus, it would've been someone else along the way, like someone who survived a bad fall from an impossible height due to how they landed or something, or a bad burn victim that lived, any 1% survival scenario would've been a candidate for the presence of the creator on earth everyone was probably waiting thousands of years for since we started worshipping astral objects.
Like I said I'm really not well read up on this, but you're 100% right that if what's written in the bible is any indicator of how things were or how things ought to be assumed, our experience thus far has felt been pretty lackluster by all accounts - but then again that's kind of the side of it where they want you to have faith that your trials and tribulations will lead to a promised land when your time on earth expires. Kinda pyramid schemey vibes, they have to bring more and more people into the belief system in order for it to perpetuate, and in the end you don't actually get to live out any of the supposed reward in this life, "just wait, and do this this this and this per the documentation, and did we mention continue to wait?". I'm sure there were plenty of devout Christians in the middle ages or whatnot, everything prior to say 1300, where it was completely mainstream and anyone who wasn't a believer was being slaughtered, so why didn't we all (or at least they all) "ascend" at some point around then?
Practically speaking, as someone else already said earlier in the thread, organized religion is good for instilling a set of basic moral guidelines where there would otherwise be an absence. It has its use in your upbringing, when you're young and need to learn about how to assimilate into society, and stories help convey those messages. I actually wouldn't be opposed to there being as much of a presence of religion in schools as there is science (if you take a foreign language, you kinda get an insight into the other culture's belief system / religion by default, but religion as a teachable subject should simply be informative to the point that students can understand all the circulating concepts and have their own educated opinions).
Just less behead-y behavior due to religious (or scientific) beliefs all around, plz