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Sep 18 2021 01:11pm
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Would only work if you do it multiple times a day and catch the virus before it begins infecting your cells. Sounds like a nightmare for compliance.

Oh, and peroxide forms radicals pretty readily in your cells which will increase oxidative stress in your cells and over the long term would likely result in increased incidence of cancer, since, ya know, radicals cause cancer.

but it likely would be a cheap and easily available way to prevent infection, but it's not going to be some magic bullet.


The immune system creates hydrogen peroxide inside the body against viruses.

The key detail is the PPM of H202 within the gaseous mixture. Saline is also necessary to prevent lung damage.
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The immune system creates hydrogen peroxide inside the body against viruses.

The key detail is the PPM of H202 within the gaseous mixture. Saline is also necessary to prevent lung damage.


The body creates peroxide inside peroxisomes so it's contained. Systemic peroxide in a cell kills it very quickliy by triggering apoptotic pathways (basically makes the cell think the mitochondria is leaking), and if it doesn't die then it results in massive free radicals and DNA damage.

Your body specifically hates radicals and has a ton of mechanisms to clean them up because they're so damaging even in small numbers. However if you're just throwing peroxide at your body, that's a recipe to overwhelm the system.
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From what I read about body-created peroxide, it's done so to marshal white blood cells against injury, or to guard against superoxides, not viruses. And said peroxides have to be countered by catalase from the liver to prevent it creating the previously mentioned radicals.
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The body creates peroxide inside peroxisomes so it's contained. Systemic peroxide in a cell kills it very quickliy by triggering apoptotic pathways (basically makes the cell think the mitochondria is leaking), and if it doesn't die then it results in massive free radicals and DNA damage.

Your body specifically hates radicals and has a ton of mechanisms to clean them up because they're so damaging even in small numbers. However if you're just throwing peroxide at your body, that's a recipe to overwhelm the system.


These levels of peroxide are diluted 50-80x the typical level for a final 0.1% concentration. They have no carcinogecic mechanism.

Typically the immune system uses hydrogen peroxide to KILL cells that are infected with viruses. Nebulized H202 allows the immune system to perform this behavior quicker.
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True they even have a cool subreddit for it
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True they even have a cool subreddit for it
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These levels of peroxide are diluted 50-80x the typical level for a final 0.1% concentration. They have no carcinogecic mechanism.

Typically the immune system uses hydrogen peroxide to KILL cells that are infected with viruses. Nebulized H202 allows the immune system to perform this behavior quicker.


0.1% is still huge in a biological context. Like, cells in 0.1% peroxide are just gonna die in short order.

Your body kills cells with peroxide by signaling controlled apoptotic pathways that results in intracellular peroxide which is then segregated into vesicles for cleanup by macrophages. Your body doesn't just spray peroxide onto a cell.

You're an idiot if you think peroxide doesn't have a carcinogenic mechanism. There is no way around that. A gen chem level understanding of the source material would reveal that's false. Stop being dumb.

I'm not saying it won't work. It will almost definitely work. It's just that it's a very crude mechanism that is also going to cause lung irritation and if done over long periods, almost certainly going to increase incidence of cancer.
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0.1% is still huge in a biological context. Like, cells in 0.1% peroxide are just gonna die in short order.

Your body kills cells with peroxide by signaling controlled apoptotic pathways that results in intracellular peroxide which is then segregated into vesicles for cleanup by macrophages. Your body doesn't just spray peroxide onto a cell.

You're an idiot if you think peroxide doesn't have a carcinogenic mechanism. There is no way around that. A gen chem level understanding of the source material would reveal that's false. Stop being dumb.

I'm not saying it won't work. It will almost definitely work. It's just that it's a very crude mechanism that is also going to cause lung irritation and if done over long periods, almost certainly going to increase incidence of cancer.


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