Quote (kenw @ Mar 7 2021 07:10pm)

25~ people died out of 20 mil participants in an emotionally charged movement - cry more. I disagree with the destruction of property even if the motives are pure - the 1bn+ in damage doesn't help the economy. I honestly thought the riots and trash leftie slogans like Defund the Police, ACAB, and BLM were going to singlehandedly hand Trump the victory, but unlike you, enough of White America understand that there are bad apples in every protest and not all the rioters were black.

Quote (Black XistenZ @ Mar 7 2021 10:10am)

By now, Trump is damaged goods. He has proven himself to be a shitty leader when a crisis calls for technocratic competence or for deferring to experts (covid), he has not governed as as much of a populist as many of his voters from 2016 had hoped for, he has proven toxic to educated suburbs, he has proven to be someone who constantly undermines his own goals due to an utter lack of self-restraint and strategic thinking, his selfish antics have handed Dems a (tenuous) trifecta when he almost single-handedly blew the GA runoffs, he tried to blatantly subvert the results of a democratic election, and to top it off, he staged a violent insurrection against the American government.

Trump's coalition was never a majority coalition, it was always reliant on crossover support from at least some moderates, centrists, non-voters or Trump-sceptic Republicans. His base was not even enough in 2020, and with the horrible things which have happened afterwards, I dont see him ever attracting any support beyond his base ever again. And let's not forget that he was deplatformed and is getting old, losing his energy and sharpness. If Trump is the GOP nominee in 2024, he will lose in a landslide.

His 2016 platform can most likely win in 2024. Perhaps even his very murky 2020 "platform" could, depending on how much Joe/Kamala screw up. But its definitely not gonna happen with DJT as the standard bearer.

Quote (thundercock @ 8 Mar 2021 02:59)

Why do you think that? His "policies" will be almost a decade old and the world will be drastically different. I think we need to see what comes out of redistricting, filibuster reform, etc. because that will literally dictate the playing field for the 2024 elections.

Quote (kenw @ Mar 7 2021 07:10pm)

25~ people died out of 20 mil participants in an emotionally charged movement - cry more. I disagree with the destruction of property even if the motives are pure - the 1bn+ in damage doesn't help the economy. I honestly thought the riots and trash leftie slogans like Defund the Police, ACAB, and BLM were going to singlehandedly hand Trump the victory, but unlike you, enough of White America understand that there are bad apples in every protest and not all the rioters were black.

Quote (thundercock @ Mar 7 2021 08:59pm)

Why do you think that? His "policies" will be almost a decade old and the world will be drastically different. I think we need to see what comes out of redistricting, filibuster reform, etc. because that will literally dictate the playing field for the 2024 elections.

Quote (Black XistenZ @ Mar 7 2021 06:12pm)

Biden's term is shaping up to be an Obama era redux, and Trump's 2016 campaign was the reaction to it.

I'm not sure if there will even be filibuster reform. Redistricting will determine the playing field for the House, but I dont see how it impacts the presidential race or the Senate.

Quote (EndlessSky @ Mar 7 2021 06:24pm)

HR1 is DOA in the Senate.

It'll never happen. Dream on.

Quote (thundercock @ 8 Mar 2021 03:32)

I think that's a very lazy way of putting it and we're still under 100 days into Biden's term. The economic circumstances are entirely different because Obama had a very slow recovery whereas the Trump/Biden economy is white hot to the point where the Fed is worried about inflation. This COVID relief bill should keep things going but we'll have to see.

Quote (bogie160 @ Mar 7 2021 09:13pm)

It is easy to understand why they are rioting when you realize that a 1000+ unarmed blacks are killed by police annually, that police killings are majority African-American, and that white police officers are systematically targeting black men for extrajudicial killings.

https://www.realclearpolicy.com/articles/2021/03/03/promoting_myths_about_police_wont_make_us_safer_766408.html

Except that none of those things are true.

This situation is so emotionally charged because party leaders have deliberately encouraged misrepresentations and falsehoods. When 50% of left-leaning voters believe that a thousand or more unarmed blacks are killed annually, and the true number is 20, we have an information problem.

Quote (kenw @ Mar 7 2021 10:10pm)

I'm not even trying to dispute the misinformation (unarmed vs armed) or even the fact that blacks disproportionately commit more crime compared to whites. However, most people who saw the footage of Chauvin kneeling down George Floyd's neck while the other cops stood idly by had an emotional reponse regardless of politics or media. It was a "oh shit there's actual direct evidence of an unarmed black man and police brutality" moment unlike the Trayvon incident which was more hearsay. I believe a 2016 Gallup said that only 10% of blacks and 10% whites want reduced police presence. Statistically, most people don't want to defund the police. Although they may be misguided, I don't think the information problem was significant enough for people to resort to mayhem. Protesting due to the fact that a black man died unjustly by someone who was sworn to protect and serve is fine - the covid lockdown exacerbated the furor. Also, a lot of the people who rioted had ulterior motives. For instance, the white antifa kids who came from the suburbs to cause havoc and then leave the predominantly black neighborhoods in ruin are absolute trash. People looting for personal gain are trash. People like Maxine Waters inciting violence are trash. Agenda-driven misinformation from politicians, media, progressives, Trumpers, Q, etc is trash.

Quote (bogie160 @ Mar 7 2021 08:13pm)

It is easy to understand why they are rioting when you realize that a 1000+ unarmed blacks are killed by police annually, that police killings are majority African-American, and that white police officers are systematically targeting black men for extrajudicial killings.

https://www.realclearpolicy.com/articles/2021/03/03/promoting_myths_about_police_wont_make_us_safer_766408.html

Except that none of those things are true.

This situation is so emotionally charged because party leaders have deliberately encouraged misrepresentations and falsehoods. When 50% of left-leaning voters believe that a thousand or more unarmed blacks are killed annually, and the true number is 20, we have an information problem.