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Aug 26 2020 08:19pm
Quote (theCrossbones @ Aug 26 2020 09:13pm)
Not the story I read


its all on video
we can't post video here though because too naughty for PARD

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Aug 26 2020 08:20pm
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Philandro castille was an example youre right.

Tamir rice ehh


The Tamir Rice case was really unfortunate. Kid was exercising really poor judgment but the police didn't even assess the situation. I simultaneously fault the cops and don't fault them.
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The Tamir Rice case was really unfortunate. Kid was exercising really poor judgment but the police didn't even assess the situation. I simultaneously fault the cops and don't fault them.



I blame the absent father and degenerate mother.
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Aug 26 2020 08:33pm
skateboard attacker identified as a peaceful protester

https://www.cbs58.com/news/anthony-huber-26-identified-by-loved-ones-as-man-killed-in-kenosha-unrest

https://nypost.com/2020/08/26/kenosha-protester-fatally-shot-by-kyle-rittenhouse-was-peaceful-person/

26 years old hmm..



turns out he was a virulent domestic abuser. loved to violate probation and parole too. any of the usual suspects here want to make more race-based commentary when a shooting victim ends up being a serious criminal??
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skateboard attacker identified as a peaceful protester

https://www.cbs58.com/news/anthony-huber-26-identified-by-loved-ones-as-man-killed-in-kenosha-unrest

https://nypost.com/2020/08/26/kenosha-protester-fatally-shot-by-kyle-rittenhouse-was-peaceful-person/

26 years old hmm..

https://i.ibb.co/f8zBcXj/C415-A553-8815-450-D-B2-B0-488-FBCE885-F9.jpg

turns out he was a virulent domestic abuser. loved to violate probation and parole too. any of the usual suspects here want to make more race-based commentary when a shooting victim ends up being a serious criminal??


The 2nd and 3rd victim charges are all going to depend on the events of the first. Suppose he just killed the first guy for no reason at all and was retreating. You can't claim self-defense for the next 2 because people are trying to stop you.

This kid is going to have to use a self-defense argument for the first homicide. I've heard he had a molotov thrown at him. I've heard he had a trash bag thrown at him. I've heard he had a brick thrown at him. Apparently, in WI you can only use lethal force if you suspect death or great bodily harm (typically could cause death, permanent disfigurement, etc.) Definitely need to wait to get more evidence in order to judge.
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The 2nd and 3rd victim charges are all going to depend on the events of the first. Suppose he just killed the first guy for no reason at all and was retreating. You can't claim self-defense for the next 2 because people are trying to stop you.

This kid is going to have to use a self-defense argument for the first homicide. I've heard he had a molotov thrown at him. I've heard he had a trash bag thrown at him. I've heard he had a brick thrown at him. Apparently, in WI you can only use lethal force if you suspect death or great bodily harm (typically could cause death, permanent disfigurement, etc.) Definitely need to wait to get more evidence in order to judge.

well yeah, the videos show the first shooting was him being chased and the pursuer seems to be throwing something at him, but it’s very unclear. oddly enough the shooter checks on the guy at first and then books it like 10 seconds afterwards (presumably shortly afterward the second shooting happens, where he is attacked by a skateboarder and another person who appears, unconfirmed of course and cant post pic here, to be holding a handgun)

now does this form a basis for ‘shooting in self defense’? up to the evidence presented as you said
anyways based on what goom posted it doesn’t seem like it based on WI law. apparently you can be minding your own business and someone can attack you and its your responsibility to retreat

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The 2nd and 3rd victim charges are all going to depend on the events of the first. Suppose he just killed the first guy for no reason at all and was retreating. You can't claim self-defense for the next 2 because people are trying to stop you.

This kid is going to have to use a self-defense argument for the first homicide. I've heard he had a molotov thrown at him. I've heard he had a trash bag thrown at him. I've heard he had a brick thrown at him. Apparently, in WI you can only use lethal force if you suspect death or great bodily harm (typically could cause death, permanent disfigurement, etc.) Definitely need to wait to get more evidence in order to judge.


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the one thing I still haven't heard explained is the first gunshot
was it the kid with the rifle? it doesn't look or sound like that, he wasn't facing anyone, he reacted to it, he turned around to shoot the guy chasing him
was it a gunshot, or firework? witnesses immediately reacted as if it was gunfire, one person shouted someone is shooting
was it right next to them? was someone shooting at the kid?

If someone shot at the kid, and he turned around and saw a guy chasing him and shot him believing him to be a gunman, that's self defense
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I think it's more along the lines of determining the correct sequence of events that led to him being shot 8 times in the back by the cop.


Pretty sure that's on camera.

Imagine ignoring your detainment, direct orders from a cop, turn your back and reach into a vehicle and being surprised when you get shot.

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the one thing I still haven't heard explained is the first gunshot
was it the kid with the rifle? it doesn't look or sound like that, he wasn't facing anyone, he reacted to it, he turned around to shoot the guy chasing him
was it a gunshot, or firework? witnesses immediately reacted as if it was gunfire, one person shouted someone is shooting
was it right next to them? was someone shooting at the kid?

If someone shot at the kid, and he turned around and saw a guy chasing him and shot him believing him to be a gunman, that's self defense


If someone is running in your direction and you shoot them in the face, that is murder. This isn’t minority report

Then the mob reacting to the guy who was just shot in the face after he leaves the scene. Hard to completely blame them but yeah the skate boarder isn’t completely innocent.

However after Mr. Rick was on the ground and managed to stand up be shot not just the skate boarder but another random person who didn’t even assault him

Turns out 17year olds with rifles isn’t a great idea, he shoulda stayed in IL. One less sociopath out of society and in prison

https://m.youtube.com/watch?feature=youtu.be&v=ZlUcPJSxS1M&has_verified=1


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