Quote (IceMage @ 20 Dec 2019 14:48)

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/impeachment-polls/

538 basically has it steady for weeks. Pelosi will send the articles in January, the Senate will acquit in a sham trial, and I think Democrats will pivot to other issues. Pelosi has made clear time and time again that she doesn't want to make this the major talking point of her party going forward. Still a useful talking point for campaign ads though.

Quote (Black XistenZ @ 20 Dec 2019 09:50)

yes, but this cuts both ways. "crooked Dems wanted to overturn YOUR will with their #fakenews sham impeachment, now your president needs your support to #KeepAmericaGreat - turn out to vote and dont forget to donate. visit humpdytrump.com for further information"

Quote (IceMage @ Dec 20 2019 09:37am)

Is it not impeachment worthy because you don't think there's enough evidence of Trump's intent to withhold aid in order to pressure the Ukrainians to investigate Biden, or do you believe a president doing something like that should be fair game in politics?

If Trump were to say withhold military aid to Ukraine in order to pressure them to approve a Trump hotel project, would that be worthy of impeachment?

Quote (excellence @ 20 Dec 2019 15:58)

the whole “drumpf is clear and present danger we must do this immediately” angle is cut down by them delaying and taking holiday recess vacation for weeks

Quote (Black XistenZ @ Dec 20 2019 09:10am)

At face value, yes, but not when you think about it. The messaging by Dems has been that Trump is a clear and present danger, but that the Republican majority in the Senate will unfortunately have his back. From the point of view of the Democrats, it makes sense to do everything they can to retain control of the process and throw as many wrenches into this dangerous president's administration as possible to protect the American people.

Quote (excellence @ Dec 20 2019 09:58am)

the whole “drumpf is clear and present danger we must do this immediately” angle is cut down by them delaying and taking holiday recess vacation for weeks

Quote (thesnipa @ 20 Dec 2019 16:16)

and its a failure by the democrats. "Trump is making is look stupid on the world stage" is a much more relate-able message to moderates than "Trumps finger is on the nuke button and we're all gonna die".

Quote (Black XistenZ @ Dec 20 2019 10:25am)

Since the beginning, impeachment was not done to persuade moderates, it was done to appease the radical progressive activists from the left-most fringe of the Democratic party.
It wont be very helpful winning them elections, and that's exactly why Pelosi resisted impeachment for so long. When the Ukraine scandal broke, she just couldnt hold the line anymore and had to give in to the pressure from the left.

Also, since the Ukraine scandal uncovered very unflattering behavior by Trump, the risk-reward calculus of going for impeachment changed. Thanks to Ukraine, it no longer was a clear loser for Democrats to go for it. And that's how it has played out: while the Dems were not able to convince a relevant share of the non-Democratic public of impeachment, the public also didnt turn on them either. The polling for impeachment shows the country evenly divided along partisan lines, with no clear backlash for either side. I think that there would have been a much bigger backlash against Democrats if they had gone for impeachment in spring after the Mueller report was publihsed and turned out to be a dud.

Quote (IroningTheMaiden @ Dec 20 2019 07:24am)

Even during ww2 they would stop on Christmas.

You animal.

Quote (proccy @ Dec 20 2019 10:33am)

You are thinking about ww1. And only in 1914