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Quote (Santara @ 8 Sep 2019 09:16)
Not even remotely true, derp.



Uhhh... they did switch platforms...
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Just one scholarly article on tracking the subject and going in-depth.
(This is a recent study just to show you how it’s still changing)
https://polisci.wustl.edu/files/polisci/imce/z.1152008.2.pop_.published.pdf

Is it not common knowledge to understand that the ideals have swapped over the years?
It seems you’re defending another hack meme about the “democrats were the real slave owners and republicans freed the slaves,” etc etc nonsense.
Labeling it this way, that’s true.
However... for example: the Republican Party dominated the northern states during the civil war and called for a stronger federal government and those similar ideals that you would see as the opposite to the current Republican Party.

There is no “ideals switched on this date.”

It’s been gradual and overtime, and is still changing.

I think you might be hung up on the 50 year thing.

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Quote (IchBinDaddy @ Sep 8 2019 10:55am)
Just one scholarly article on tracking the subject and going in-depth.
(This is a recent study just to show you how it’s still changing)
https://polisci.wustl.edu/files/polisci/imce/z.1152008.2.pop_.published.pdf

Is it not common knowledge to understand that the ideals have swapped over the years?
It seems you’re defending another hack meme about the “democrats were the real slave owners and republicans freed the slaves,” etc etc nonsense.
Labeling it this way, that’s true.
However... for example: the Republican Party dominated the northern states during the civil war and called for a stronger federal government and those similar ideals that you would see as the opposite to the current Republican Party.

There is no “ideals switched on this date.”

It’s been gradual and overtime, and is still changing.

I think you might be hung up on the 50 year thing.


You presented an article on the coalitions of groups that support the parties as proof that the party's platforms have switched. In the 1960s, the Republican party was generally interested in keeping the government out of the economy (as a matter of the platform). This hasn't changed. What part of the 1964 platform here isn't still generally held today?

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1. Every person has the right to govern himself, to fix his own goals, and to make his own way with a minimum of governmental interference.

2. It is for government to foster and maintain an environment of freedom encouraging every individual to develop to the fullest his God-given powers of mind, heart and body; and, beyond this, government should undertake only needful things, rightly of public concern, which the citizen cannot himself accomplish.

We Republicans hold that these two principles must regain their primacy in our government's relations, not only with the American people, but also with nations and peoples everywhere in the world.

3. Within our Republic the Federal Government should act only in areas where it has Constitutional authority to act, and then only in respect to proven needs where individuals and local or state governments will not or cannot adequately perform. Great power, whether governmental or private, political or economic, must be so checked, balanced and restrained and, where necessary, so dispersed as to prevent it from becoming a threat to freedom any place in the land.

4. It is a high mission of government to help assure equal opportunity for all, affording every citizen an equal chance at the starting line but never determining who is to win or lose. But government must also reflect the nation's compassionate concern for those who are unable, through no fault of their own, to provide adequately for themselves.

5. Government must be restrained in its demands upon and its use of the resources of the people, remembering that it is not the creator but the steward of the wealth it uses; that its goals must ever discipline its means; and that service to all the people, never to selfish or partisan ends, must be the abiding purpose of men entrusted with public power.
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Sep 8 2019 10:35am
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You presented an article on the coalitions of groups that support the parties as proof that the party's platforms have switched. In the 1960s, the Republican party was generally interested in keeping the government out of the economy (as a matter of the platform). This hasn't changed. What part of the 1964 platform here isn't still generally held today?



Oh jeeze.
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Quote (Skinned @ Sep 8 2019 10:20am)
Lol Dutch people are a tall and handsome bunch.




I have to agree. I lived in Grand Rapids, MI for about 1.5 years. Turns out there's a LOT of Dutch folk in Michigan.
There was a 24/7 store like Walmart, called Meijers or something.

Every now and then I'd be standing at the register, and there would be a passel of 6 ft. tall blond girls.... Dutch ofc. I'm 6 ft. tall, but somehow I felt small and crude when that happened. :D
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The parties didn't 'switch' platforms nor are the D's of old the D's of today, that's a really dumb and reductionist way to look at it. Issues and platforms have drastically evolved. Labels are meaningless here. You would find more similarities between the two parties of today versus comparing D's of today to the D's of then.
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The parties didn't 'switch' platforms nor are the D's of old the D's of today, that's a really dumb and reductionist way to look at it. Issues and platforms have drastically evolved. Labels are meaningless here. You would find more similarities between the two parties of today versus comparing D's of today to the D's of then.





I think that the pic in post #31935, sums it up pretty well.
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From one of the major Dutch newspapers.
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Quote (ofthevoid @ 8 Sep 2019 11:59)
The parties didn't 'switch' platforms nor are the D's of old the D's of today, that's a really dumb and reductionist way to look at it. Issues and platforms have drastically evolved. Labels are meaningless here. You would find more similarities between the two parties of today versus comparing D's of today to the D's of then.



Basic history isn’t a thing here, apparently...
Earth is flat, pollution doesn’t hurt the planet, trump 2020

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