A handful of ignorant socialists and rabid trolls with a very thin grasp of economics or respect for liberty is not "everyone", despite your delusions of grandeur and hateful slurs.
That comes with the territory of being so outspoken and engaging the idiocy of posters like yourself head-on with facts on a regular basis for many years.
I get compliments via pm and post from several people, many of whom aren't close to libertarian, and there are a slew of others who clearly don't hold a negative opinion of myself or most of my views.

Here you are someone who will lie and purposely misrepresent situations and advocate all kinds of violence against people for his own benefit, what was it in your own words? "downright scary" policies?(something like that), yet you have the gall to call others who want to live peacefully and respect the rights and liberty of others even if I don't share their personal beliefs or preferences "horrible and horrifyingly selfish". Its a bad joke.


and ofc gems like this:






This post was edited by cambovenzi on Nov 21 2015 03:27am

I do believes its best to do what is necessary to prevent the spread of dangerous cults like scientology and libertarianism

Your responses to every issue that comes up as a fault of the govt + regulations is quite predictable as is your continuous praise of corporate activities - you do this both when there are legitimate issues with regulations/govt which could be solved by private solutions and also when there are catostrophic consequences as a result of corporate activity that creates a necessity for govt intervention and regulations. This unyielding fanatic devotion to your ideas is what exposes the danger of allowing people to become so absorbed in libertarian ideas that they lose all sense of reason.

You can keep claiming to be an economic genius all you want but austrian economics isn't going to be taken seriously any time soon.

You might find this hard to believe cuz of the ad homs but you're one of my favorite posters in here even if i think your ideas are horrifying

This post was edited by duffman316 on Nov 21 2015 04:17am

The people with the worse grasp of economics, historically speaking, are the Austrians. There is a reason that every intellectual and all economists except for five or six in history have denounced that economic system, because of how inefficient of a delivery system it is to distribute goods to a society. The six or so economists who have embraced them also embrace all other crazy things necessarily, like children should be able to shop for their parents with a market mechanism....these were rich white man writing about being slaves while at the same time living off of the labor of actual slaves that were beneath their concerns.

Austrian economics, free trade, etc, is just an irrational and inefficient way to deliver goods to a society. There are other delivery systems in economics that are more equitable, more fair, and better overall, which are the delivery systems that scientists, intellectuals, academics, policy makers, and any other grown up with a seat at the table, embrace.

I give real examples of school choice and you talk about privatizing schools on a local level. Sorry, that is stealing education. I see the allure and the misinformation signs: "Lower taxes new schools", well only heavily conservative districts have passed laws like that and they're wondering why they don't get bus service, why their schools suck, and they're wondering why they're so unaccountable now, and where their right to a public school vanished too.

There has to be a point where you might have to acknowledge that the world itself is right every now and then.



It is true, if you believe in god and your cause is true, every sin is permitted.

This post was edited by Skinned on Nov 21 2015 09:05am

good one, should be posted in athetist/agnostic topic

Great you marginalize Austrianism with ad pop, vastly under-represent the number of actual austrian economists, ignore their many contributions to economics throughout the years, and dismiss their vast areas they overlap with whats widely considered sound even by other more popular schools, and dismiss it by using a single hypothetical scenario about a very obscure and very grey area of libertarianism that one author had regarding children's rights you personally disagree with, to dismiss it out of hand and call them "crazy" without bothering to look at the arguments behind it.
And then you try to assassinate their character with complete lies and irrelevant personal jabs to dismiss their views as well.
Congrats on reaching new levels of shameful dishonesty.

I understand you don't like them for doing lots of great work disproving and criticizing a vast array of what you advocate and eviscerating your Marxist labor theory of value (as well as the cost-of-production theory of value), but you don't have to be so dishonest and intellectually bankrupt about it.
Just admit they have you beat and move on.
Instead you are sticking your head in the sand pretending it all doesn't exist.

The Austrian economists did not own slaves and the claim they lived off the labor of 'actual' slaves is beyond pushing it.
Austrian economics started in the late 19th century.
Ludwig von Mises was born in 1881 and fled the nazis.
They were and are mostly economic professors, writers, lecturers, etc.
Even if they did own slaves it STILL wouldn't invalidate their work.

Calling them 'rich white men' might be an insult and disqualifier in your hate whitey circles, but it does nothing to discredit them here.
In actuality many of them were Jewish in a very tough time for Jews, but you want to run with the 'privileged white man' narrative like a schmuck.


This is just your own nonsensical subjective opinion, attached to some more ad pop and character attacks.

You personally supporting a communistic equal distribution with vastly less wealth overall, and less freedom to choose and pursue your goals does not make it a matter of fact that free trade is terrible and inefficient.
There are overwhelming amounts of logically and empirically sound works in support of free trade.
Its your style of mercantilism and massive taxation that is torn apart and recognized as extremely detrimental, counterproductive, and inefficient.



I actually barely even mentioned privatization. And again, You not liking it doesn't mean its not a viable idea in practice.
I mentioned vouchers, tax credits, charters, opening up competition w/ private schools, and localized decision making.
You admit the gross systematic failure of your public school dreams, yet are too proud and obsessed with forced egalitarianism and big government control to look at significantly different options.

You also played dumb when the fact that school choice (that you are supposedly in favor of) is widely opposed by your demonrats was brought to your attention. Instead you go off on a fallacious tangent bashing austrian economics and fear-mongering about 'no education' and 'no school buses' and 'sucky schools'(which are actually a result of what you support) instead of admitting the truth or even honestly representing what I discussed.

This post was edited by cambovenzi on Nov 21 2015 10:21am

i'm fairly sure that most of us on this forum have a fairly thin grasp of economics regardless of whatever cooky articles we might've read on the Internet to reinforce our world views.

lots of writing, no substance :/