d2jsp
Log InRegister
d2jsp Forums > Off-Topic > General Chat > Political & Religious Debate > Kyle Rittenhouse Trial
Prev1317318319320321424Next
Add Reply New Topic New Poll
Member
Posts: 34,198
Joined: Dec 8 2009
Gold: 3,705.00
Nov 19 2021 10:39am
Quote (InsaneBobb @ Nov 19 2021 11:38am)
A couple questions I have in this case:

1. There's a claim by the prosecution that Kyle pointed his rifle at the Zaminskis, establishing provocation. However, pointing a weapon at another person is called Brandishing, and is a crime. Why is there no Brandishing charge? Affirmative fact needs to be established to prevent reasonable doubt.

2. Rosenbaum admitted, under oath, that he pointed his firearm at Kyle Rittenhouse prior to Kyle shooting at him. Provocation of any sort directed at Rosenbaum has not been established in any way. Why has Rosenbaum not been charged with Brandishing?


Because he's dead?
Member
Posts: 21,486
Joined: Jul 21 2005
Gold: 438.40
Nov 19 2021 10:40am
Quote (T_R_E_V_O_R @ 19 Nov 2021 08:39)
Because he's dead?


See edit.
Member
Posts: 24,035
Joined: Feb 28 2007
Gold: 35,554.14
Nov 19 2021 10:42am
Quote (InsaneBobb @ Nov 19 2021 10:38am)
A couple questions I have in this case:

1. There's a claim by the prosecution that Kyle pointed his rifle at the Zaminskis, establishing provocation. However, pointing a weapon at another person is called Brandishing, and is a crime. Why is there no Brandishing charge? Affirmative fact needs to be established to prevent reasonable doubt.

2. Rosenbaum admitted, under oath, that he pointed his firearm at Kyle Rittenhouse prior to Kyle shooting at him. Provocation of any sort directed at Rosenbaum has not been established in any way. Why has Rosenbaum not been charged with Brandishing?


Is dead.

Fortunately

This post was edited by sirthom on Nov 19 2021 10:43am
Member
Posts: 21,486
Joined: Jul 21 2005
Gold: 438.40
Nov 19 2021 10:50am
Quote (sirthom @ 19 Nov 2021 08:42)
Is dead.

Fortunately


Quote (InsaneBobb @ 19 Nov 2021 08:40)
See edit.


It's early here, I clearly misspoke. Was referring to Grosskreutz, clearly. :)
Member
Posts: 9,098
Joined: May 21 2013
Gold: 58,422.88
Nov 19 2021 11:02am
lol first time in this sub forum, not disappoint with the blatant racism


1- this is a good q, i think there should be something tying him to the ziminskis if that is the provocation the pros is claiming
2- I think gage has some type of immunity for testifying.



I have no idea whats going to happen.
Member
Posts: 21,486
Joined: Jul 21 2005
Gold: 438.40
Nov 19 2021 11:08am
Quote (Gfresh99 @ 19 Nov 2021 09:02)
lol first time in this sub forum, not disappoint with the blatant racism


1- this is a good q, i think there should be something tying him to the ziminskis if that is the provocation the pros is claiming
2- I think gage has some type of immunity for testifying.



I have no idea whats going to happen.


The irony here is, as far as I'm aware, Mr. Zaminski is being charged with brandishing and reckless endangerment for his firing in the air. The reason the defense could not bring him in as a witness is because he had the fifth open to him and would 100% have pled it due to an upcoming trial. Had the Prosecution provided him immunity, he could have testified affirmative or negative whether Kyle pointed his rifle at him.

On the flipside, while Mr. Zaminski clearly did wrong firing his gun in the air (what goes up must come down), Grosskreutz pointed his handgun at another person's head, leaving them no choice but to raise their rifle and fire at him to preserve their own life. Why would he, of all people involved, receive immunity?
Member
Posts: 27,157
Joined: Mar 11 2016
Gold: 9.77
Warn: 10%
Nov 19 2021 11:09am
HEY DID THEY GIVE THE VERDICT YET??

Any theories as to why it is taking so long?

Quote (InsaneBobb @ 19 Nov 2021 11:50)
It's early here, I clearly misspoke. Was referring to Grosskreutz, clearly. :)


If you think it should be clear everytime you mis type then I think you are just mis-typing every time.

"There goes insanebobb again mis typing because he is too tired or stupid, its clear"

This post was edited by Crunkt on Nov 19 2021 11:11am
Member
Posts: 21,486
Joined: Jul 21 2005
Gold: 438.40
Nov 19 2021 11:14am
Quote (Crunkt @ 19 Nov 2021 09:09)
HEY DID THEY GIVE THE VERDICT YET??

Any theories as to why it is taking so long?

If you think it should be clear everytime you mis type then I think you are just mis-typing every time.

"There goes insanebobb again mis typing because he is too tired or stupid, its clear"


No. And the primary theory behind why it's taking so long is 36 pages worth of jury instruction, much of it confusing, ambiguous, and/or contradictory. Further, there's suspicion that the floor person is a holdout, one way or the other. However, as of this time, everything is hearsay.

Regarding my post, when taken into context of "stated under oath" the only person Kyle shot who testified under oath was Grosskreutz, so yes, it was very clear who I was referring to. Anything else?
Member
Posts: 3,712
Joined: Mar 15 2021
Gold: 5.00
Nov 19 2021 11:14am
Quote (Crunkt @ Nov 19 2021 12:09pm)
HEY DID THEY GIVE THE VERDICT YET??

Any theories as to why it is taking so long?


The jury is probably conflicted on how to apply self-defense laws for someone who planned out his self-defense ahead of time and made a special trip to go do it.

The piglet will probably be acquitted and run for his state legislature.
Member
Posts: 27,157
Joined: Mar 11 2016
Gold: 9.77
Warn: 10%
Nov 19 2021 11:15am
Quote (InsaneBobb @ 19 Nov 2021 12:14)
No. And the primary theory behind why it's taking so long is 36 pages worth of jury instruction, much of it confusing, ambiguous, and/or contradictory. Further, there's suspicion that the floor person is a holdout, one way or the other. However, as of this time, everything is hearsay.

Regarding my post, when taken into context of "stated under oath" the only person Kyle shot who testified under oath was Grosskreutz, so yes, it was very clear who I was referring to. Anything else?


thanks for the update broski

Quote (Doggyfood @ 19 Nov 2021 12:14)
The jury is probably conflicted on how to apply self-defense laws for someone who planned out his self-defense ahead of time and made a special trip to go do it.

The piglet will probably be acquitted and run for his state legislature.


I really hope he doesnt walk

especially with this video floating around



This post was edited by Crunkt on Nov 19 2021 11:16am
Go Back To Political & Religious Debate Topic List
Prev1317318319320321424Next
Add Reply New Topic New Poll