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Oct 24 2023 02:05pm
Quote (thesnipa @ Oct 24 2023 04:41pm)
i have to admit, i figured if you had that little of actual material to back your bogus claim you'd just not bother to post.

lets try to go about this in a different way, answer a simple question:

if im a citizen of gaza, and i'm gay, and i'm caught being gay, what happens to me in way of punishment and who punishes me?

inb4 you slide back into lazytown after posting a bland link to gaza's police website, truly sad to see that. should have just acted like you were busy irl, thats worse.

Says the guy arguing about sharia when he doesn't know what it is :huh:

I already told you the law, or maybe I told goom, I forget which since you've apparantly tagged in for him lol, I guess he at least had the good sense to quit while he was behind. Either way, scroll back and find it. A judge or "Qadi" would decide on the punishment and who punishes you would depend on what the judge decided, pretty wild and crazy concepts I know.

I mean you literally listed a bunch of things and said any of them and one was police so I'm not sure what exactly you wanted? No police then? Lol some might call that moving the goalposts but its quite obvious you don't actually care about the topic or have any previous knowledge of it so it's not as if any of your arguments are made in good faith anyway.

It is absolutely hilarious that you've gone to this length to defend the statement "gays get thrown off of roofs in gaza"

Even the person who said it gave up :rofl:

This post was edited by DizzyBusiness on Oct 24 2023 02:13pm
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Oct 24 2023 02:15pm
Quote (DizzyBusiness @ Oct 24 2023 10:05pm)
Says the guy arguing about sharia when he doesn't know what it is :huh:

I already told you the law, or maybe I told goom, I forget which since you've apparantly tagged in for him lol, I guess he at least had the good sense to quit while he was behind. Either way, scroll back and find it. A judge or "Qadi" would decide on the punishment and who punishes you would depend on what the judge decided, pretty wild and crazy concepts I know.

I mean you literally listed a bunch of things and said any of them and one was police so I'm not sure what exactly you wanted? No police then? Lol some might call that moving the goalposts but its quite obvious you don't actually care about the topic or have any previous knowledge of it so it's not as if any of your arguments are made in good faith anyway.

It is absolutely hilarious that you've gone to this length to defend the statement "gays get thrown of off roofs in gaza"

Even the person who said it gave up :rofl:


you have no fucking clue what sharia law is and you talk about alleged differences that dont exist

ever heard of the cairo declaration of human rights in islam and the IOC?

there is only one sharia and the entire muslim world confirmed it

why are stupid people like you making excuses for islam with fake narratives that are not even shared by muslims?
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Oct 24 2023 02:23pm
Quote (JohnnyMcCoy @ Oct 24 2023 05:15pm)
you have no fucking clue what sharia law is and you talk about alleged differences that dont exist

ever heard of the cairo declaration of human rights in islam and the IOC?

there is only one sharia and the entire muslim world confirmed it

why are stupid people like you making excuses for islam with fake narratives that are not even shared by muslims?

Lmao yeah I'm sure the German incel who probably learned everything he knows about Islam from Ben Shapiro has an accurate view of it :thumbsup:

Please read something that isn't a tweet or a forum post, maybe then you would be able to add something beyond edgelord commentary on topics you don’t understand
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Oct 24 2023 02:25pm
Quote (DizzyBusiness @ Oct 24 2023 03:05pm)
Says the guy arguing about sharia when he doesn't know what it is :huh:

I already told you the law, or maybe I told goom, I forget which since you've apparantly tagged in for him lol, I guess he at least had the good sense to quit while he was behind. Either way, scroll back and find it. A judge or "Qadi" would decide on the punishment and who punishes you would depend on what the judge decided, pretty wild and crazy concepts I know.

I mean you literally listed a bunch of things and said any of them and one was police so I'm not sure what exactly you wanted? No police then? Lol some might call that moving the goalposts but its quite obvious you don't actually care about the topic or have any previous knowledge of it so it's not as if any of your arguments are made in good faith anyway.

It is absolutely hilarious that you've gone to this length to defend the statement "gays get thrown of off roofs in gaza"

Even the person who said it gave up :rofl:


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In 2013, a gay Palestinian man told reporters that "local Palestinian Authority police are aware and keep files on him and other homosexuals, blackmailing them into working as spies and informants." He reported stories "of guys being called at random and told to come into [Palestinian Authority] police stations, with threats their families would be told about their sexuality if they didn't show up."[9]


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Gay Palestinians frequently seek refuge in Israel fearing for their lives, especially fearing death from members of their own families.[19] "According to lawyer Shaul Gannon, from the Israeli LGBT organization The Aguda – Israel's LGBT Task Force, around 2,000 Palestinian homosexuals live in Tel Aviv at any one time."[9]


any law on the books is only as effective as it's adjudication, and with the local judges leaving plenty of small issues to Urf rather than wasting court time to deal with them that means many gay people in Palestine fear for their lives.

goom used the phrase "thrown off roofs" to represent this reality, in contrast to the gays for Palestine hypocrisy akin to "chickens for KFC". Palestine isn't a good place for gay people, even if the punishment of 10 years were actually applied more often than mob justice (it isnt). then you cited a law only slightly more credible than bans on apple pie without a slice of cheese.

im not a sharia law expert, but your claim i dont understand it at all is just you tossing more things about.

here for example is a recent report of what hamas did to a gay man in gaza:

https://www.i24news.tv/en/news/middle-east/palestinian-territories/1660138495-exclusive-gay-man-who-fled-gaza-speaks-about-experience-with-hamas

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When Abdul was 17, Hamas caught him having sex with his boyfriend, imprisoning him for three days.

"They put me in a tiny room that was two-by-two meters. They wouldn’t let me sleep or go to the bathroom inside. There was no food. They would torture me so badly," he told i24NEWS.

"Sometimes, they would tie my feet up and beat them with a stick. After that, every few years, they would arrest me and torture me in the same way."

Over the course of five years, Abdul says Hamas would kidnap him off of the streets, torture him, and then rerelease him. Finally, at 22, they let him go for the last time.




now, please, be predictable and say none of this supports the claim gays are thrown off roofs. a claim no one legitimately made, even though in a literal sense with many gay people being killed all of the time it's sure to be true in a literal sense.

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Oct 24 2023 02:28pm
Quote (DizzyBusiness @ Oct 24 2023 10:23pm)
Lmao yeah I'm sure the German incel who probably learned everything he knows about Islam from Ben Shapiro has an accurate view of it :thumbsup:

Please read something that isn't a tweet or a forum post, maybe then you would be able to add something beyond edgelord commentary on topics you don’t understand


nice try buddy, but when i want to know something about islam then i will look at the opinion of over 1 billion muslims on this planet and not at your wokie nonsense

your opinion is irrelevant
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Oct 24 2023 02:31pm
Quote (JohnnyMcCoy @ Oct 24 2023 03:28pm)
nice try buddy, but when i want to know something about islam then i will look at the opinion of over 1 billion muslims on this planet and not at your wokie nonsense

your opinion is irrelevant


I did NOT have "dizzy business pretends to be a scholar of islam and gazan legal system" on my 2023 bingo card, shucks.
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Oct 24 2023 02:32pm

Tempers flared at the United Nations after UN Secretary General António Guterres appealed for “an immediate humanitarian ceasefire” at the UN Security Council on Tuesday.

“Protecting civilians does not mean ordering more than one million people to evacuate to the south, where there is no shelter, no food, no water, no medicine and no fuel – and then continuing to bomb the south itself,” Guterres said.

“It is important to also recognize the attacks by Hamas did not happen in a vacuum,” Guterres also said. “The Palestinian people have been subjected to 56 years of suffocating occupation. They have seen their land steadily devoured by settlements and plagued by violence; their economy stifled; their people displaced and their homes demolished.”

He said that the “appalling acts” of Hamas “cannot justify the collective punishment of the Palestinian people. Excellencies, Even war has rules.”
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Oct 24 2023 02:41pm
Sharia is a bit like Talmud, but it follows the style of the religion itself: considering islam scriptures are probably more modulable/adaptative and shorter.
So bad we don't have sharia/talmud stuff in Christianity since modern democracies, thus some countries could make it great again...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canon_law

Btw Christianity is even more modulable/adaptative than islam. I like it, it's my prefered...ty


When you put everything in its context.



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Oct 24 2023 03:01pm
Quote (thesnipa @ Oct 24 2023 05:25pm)
any law on the books is only as effective as it's adjudication, and with the local judges leaving plenty of small issues to Urf rather than wasting court time to deal with them that means many gay people in Palestine fear for their lives.

goom used the phrase "thrown off roofs" to represent this reality, in contrast to the gays for Palestine hypocrisy akin to "chickens for KFC". Palestine isn't a good place for gay people, even if the punishment of 10 years were actually applied more often than mob justice (it isnt). then you cited a law only slightly more credible than bans on apple pie without a slice of cheese.

im not a sharia law expert, but your claim i dont understand it at all is just you tossing more things about.

here for example is a recent report of what hamas did to a gay man in gaza:

https://www.i24news.tv/en/news/middle-east/palestinian-territories/1660138495-exclusive-gay-man-who-fled-gaza-speaks-about-experience-with-hamas





now, please, be predictable and claim none of this supports the claim gays are thrown off roofs. a claim no one legitimately made, even though in a literal sense with many gay people being killed all of the time it's sure to be true in a literal sense.

Gay people in the US fear for their lives as well, at least according to them, same with Canada and the UK. So what does that mean?

Maybe goom should have used a phrase that actually reflected reality then? I don't see how him being wrong reflects on me, seems like a him problem. Gaza isn't a good place for anyone lol, great point though!

What exactly is the ratio of mob justice attacks to government punishment for gay people in Gaza? How many of them involved throwing someone off a building? I cited the law currently on the books in Gaza for homosexuality...in response to a claim about punishments for homosexuality in Gaza.

Based on how you characterized it in your previous posts you completely misunderstood what sharia is, I was not wrong for saying you didn't understand because you didn't. It isn't a matter of being an expert, a basic understanding of it would have kept you from asking and framing things the way you did.

That account from the gay man from gaza was quite stirring though, I wonder why the bloodthirsty jhadists decided to just let him go, isn't it the law of all Muslims to mercilessly slaughter the gays (throw them off roofs and such?) I guess they probably let him go as a warning to the other gays?

And finally, no none of that supported the statement goom made that gays are thrown off of roofs in gaza.

Okay that's about as much effort as in willing to put in to your bad faith arguments, too ignorant to even mock.

Quote (JohnnyMcCoy @ Oct 24 2023 05:28pm)
nice try buddy, but when i want to know something about islam then i will look at the opinion of over 1 billion muslims on this planet and not at your wokie nonsense

your opinion is irrelevant


You could also just read about it. Not on twitter though, that probably explains your current ignorance lol.
Quote (thesnipa @ Oct 24 2023 05:31pm)
I did NOT have "dizzy business pretends to be a scholar of islam and gazan legal system" on my 2023 bingo card, shucks.

Saying something blatantly false is false makes me a scholar of Islam? Nice, I'm gonna throw that on the ol' CV


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Tempers flared at the United Nations after UN Secretary General António Guterres appealed for “an immediate humanitarian ceasefire” at the UN Security Council on Tuesday.

“Protecting civilians does not mean ordering more than one million people to evacuate to the south, where there is no shelter, no food, no water, no medicine and no fuel – and then continuing to bomb the south itself,” Guterres said.

“It is important to also recognize the attacks by Hamas did not happen in a vacuum,” Guterres also said. “The Palestinian people have been subjected to 56 years of suffocating occupation. They have seen their land steadily devoured by settlements and plagued by violence; their economy stifled; their people displaced and their homes demolished.”

He said that the “appalling acts” of Hamas “cannot justify the collective punishment of the Palestinian people. Excellencies, Even war has rules.”


"yes maybe, but the UN and guterres are known anti-semites and nazis. their "concern" for civilian lives is clearly just an excuse to strengthen hamas. they couldn't care less about the cruelty that israel inflicts on millions of innocent people, all they care about is eradicating jews. everybody knows that."

_ every apartheid apologist in this thread
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