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Apr 3 2020 05:24am
Quote (Arsenic_Touch @ Apr 3 2020 05:54am)
It's beyond bullshit.

His final words were "I expect no congratulations for it. Captain Crozier is an incredible man." I mean seriously?

Judging by the letter dated for the 30th and the first cases being on the 24th, talks of people testing negative showing symptoms and only now are there mentions of evacuating everyone,
I'm inclined to believe that he actually did follow the chain of command and was ignored. They sure did seem motivated to act fast after that letter came out.


It's not that he failed to follow the chain of command, he used unsecured email. The implication here is that nothing was being done by the CoC until he used unsecured comms and <probably> included a leak to the press to get reaction by command. The Navy probably felt that infection aboard ship is relatively low-risk, all things considered, as its crew is likely under 35 with only a few exceptions. Carriers are also the only combat ship in the fleet with its own complement of physicians.

Also, you cannot completely evacuate a forward-deployed aircraft carrier. Its nuclear reactors must be monitored at all times, and its <likely> possession of nuclear weapons must keep a defensive marine detachment aboard as well, and it must be capable of going to sea in a combat role on short notice. That's the point of being forward deployed.

The CO is responsible for the well being of all the sailors under his command, but he must also be a professional. He sacrificed his career for their well being, and I can't fault him for it. But he also went about it improperly.

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Quote (Kayeto @ 3 Apr 2020 11:34)
already going on in other developed countries as well.

4 days ago, UK admits that they hadn't been counting people that die at home: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/mar/30/covid-19-deaths-outside-hospitals-to-be-included-in-uk-tally-for-first-time
Same deal in one part of Italy: https://thehill.com/policy/international/490754-death-toll-in-italian-province-twice-as-high-as-official-count

This is not a time when journalists have the mobility to keep reports accountable. Common sense tells you that it would be in a country's best interest to define their metric in a way that would lead to the official count being as low as they can get away with. In less developed countries, it's even easier to get away with more extreme under reporting since they can just control the media. It only makes sense that this time of under reporting is widespread to various degrees.

Official death count might be 50k but the real number is probably triple that.


You are picking the local example of Italian sub-province of Bergamo which was submerged by the disease and UK which has its healthcare questioned about being taken by american companies...
I'm glad to inform you that France properly reported its nursing homes yesterday, the totality of them since weeks. Many, if not all, others civilized countries are doing the same.

There's no need to drown the fish: US healthcare "access" is UNIQUE in all OECD...

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You are picking the local example of Italian sub-province of Bergamo which was submerged by the disease and UK which has its healthcare questioned about being taken by american companies...
I'm glad to inform you that France properly reported its nursing homes yesterday, the totality of them since weeks. Many of not most of others civilized countries are doing the same.

There's no need to drown the fish: US healthcare "access" is UNIQUE in all OECD...


the reported global death count is just over. What do you think the real world death count is?
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the reported global death count is just over. What do you think the real world death count is?


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Quote (Handcuffs @ Apr 2 2020 10:40pm)
Your sig reminded me. Did Beowulf dieded?


his posting always came in cycles. from only posting songs in his thread or not at all on up to "i'm the king of GC" and posting 50+ times a day. my guess is he got tired of being addicted to jsp and quit cold turkey. but he'll relapse.
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Quote (Saucisson6000 @ Apr 3 2020 07:54am)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=svrxYLvJYto


Which is more important to you: discussing the reality of the coronavirus pandemic or bashing a country you don't like?

the reported global death count is just over. What do you think the real world death count is?
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Quote (Saucisson6000 @ Apr 3 2020 07:54am)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=svrxYLvJYto




A video almost two months old?
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Apr 3 2020 06:03am
Trump indeed doubling down on nepotism over expertise:

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/02/opinion/jared-kushner-coronavirus.html

He is totally allowing Kushner to direct this response. This is a joke. This is really a cruel joke. This guy is going to kill Americans because of his trust issues and personal interests.

I can't believe people here still support him or repeat the lie that there isn't a real alternative. The GOP believes thst Trump is a better leader than Kasich? Who already faced down a heroin epidemic so severe it killed more Ohioans than Americans died in Vietnam.

He is going to kill Americans due to his devotion to nepotism and his trust issues and half of Americans are going to support it, until it affects them personally.

I'm disgusted that the lives of me and my peers in healthcare mean so little to the American public and that political points are more important your grand children.

I have never before been so ashamed by my kinsmen for choosing someone like this to shit all over healthcare workers and our efforts who lets paranoia rule over fact.

Fuck all of you cultists this morning. You're shitty people for your continued support of this ineptitude. He isn't up to the job and we need some fucking leadership right now. He delegates, to his son in law.

Why are the cultists sending his doctor death threats? Shitlords.

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Trump indeed doubling down on nepotism over expertise:

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/02/opinion/jared-kushner-coronavirus.html

He is totally allowing Kushner to direct this response. This is a joke. This is really a cruel joke. This guy is going to kill Americans because of his trust issues and personal interests.

I can't believe people here still support him or repeat the lie that there isn't a real alternative. The GOP believes thst Trump is a better leader than Kasich? Who already faced down a heroin epidemic so severe it killed more Ohioans than Americans died in Vietnam.

He is going to kill Americans due to his devotion to nepotism and his trust issues and half of Americans are going to support it, until it affects them personally.

I'm disgusted that the lives of me and my peers in healthcare mean so little to the American public and that political points are more important your grand children.

I have never before been so ashamed by my kinsmen for choosing someone like this to shit all over healthcare workers and our efforts who lets paranoia rule over fact.

Fuck all of you cultists this morning. You're shitty people for your continued support of this ineptitude. He isn't up to the job and we need some fucking leadership right now. He delegates, to his son in law.

Why are the cultists sending his doctor death threats? Shitlords.


The more power someone has, the more damage their nepotism can inflict. The fact that Trump won the election 3 years meant that his nepotism was more threatening to the country than the nepotism of everyone else. But that's a story that happened over 3 years ago.

There's a wide chasm between being a Trump cultist vs. simply understanding that he did not invent nepotism.

This post was edited by Kayeto on Apr 3 2020 06:17am
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Apr 3 2020 06:22am
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The more power someone has, the more damage their nepotism can inflict. The fact that Trump won the election 3 years meant that his nepotism was more threatening to the country than the nepotism of everyone else. But that's a story that happened over 3 years ago.

There's a wide chasm between being a Trump cultist vs. understanding that he did not invent nepotism.


Quit making excuses. If you don't want to criticize corruption and ineptitude you don't have to make excuses for it and rationalize it.

You guys are battered house wives at this point. You will excuse and make excuses for everything.

Also this is new behavior for a president of the US. It has been at least over 100 years since someone so beneath the office was in it.

People who make excuses for this should be ashamed of themselves.

Nobody said Trump invented nepotism, the claim is that he is killing vulnerable americans and disrespecting american healthcare workers.

There is a topic and a specific thing happening that is wrong and borderline evil. Negligent and will likely be viewed as criminal in the future.

NN to degrade my statement into a platitude like you did though.

This post was edited by Skinned on Apr 3 2020 06:25am
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