thats exactly the point if you could read, the predecessors did it right, the current EU does NOT

"but the 'undemocratic, lying, and power grabbing' monstrosity telling its member states what to do and making them insecure BS is merely the uncritical acceptance of fear mongering and propaganda"

so you deny that the EU has massively interfered with national sovereignty in the past? are you living under a rock or do you simply refuse to accept the truth again, like you do when it comes to the migrant crime wave

This post was edited by ampoo on Mar 13 2019 11:47am

you just can't make a single post without lying about my actual stances on certain issues, can you? i wonder how you ever expect to have a serious conversation if you just resort to blatantly misrepresenting someone's position in order to score points with your imaginary audience whenever one of your lazy talking points got debunked...

its absolutely amazing how you can project your own failures onto others
this must be some kind mental sickness

and where exactly am i lying?

you are the one, who constantly has to make accusations, because poo simply has to be a nazi, mindless EU hater, xenophobe etc
his actual opinions and statements dont matter, fenders feelings have to be the truth and no narrative is retarded enough to make it stay that way (see the framing accusation)

i made a clear statement several times that i support the idea behind the EU and clearly stated that the "old EU" is what we should still have

I will be agree with you if they don't manage to control/remove lobbying, for now it's problematic but if they fix it it will be amazing.

Brexit: Seems May lost the control of her party since they voted No to hard brexit "in any circumstances" two times.
Now it's all about the delay: 3 months is short, curious what can be done during this time, kick her and trigger a new Referendum?

FAKE NEWS: Sky Issues Half-Baked ‘Apology’ and REMOVES Jason Farrell Interview After Backlash

https://www.politicalite.com/media/fake-news-sky-issues-half-baked-apology-and-removes-jason-farrell-interview-after-backlash/



This post was edited by HeLiCaL on Mar 14 2019 03:47am

The transition from EEC to EU is completely logical given the shift in geopolitics that happened as the Cold War ended.

Europe was a collection of satellite states, where nations accepted a quasicolonial status in exchange for the protection from one of the two superpowers. Peace among the countries within each of the blocks was guaranteed by two main factors: the survailance of US and USSR (which didn't want the continent to become a warzone), and the unity against the common enemy (the US for the East Block, the USSR for the West Block).

With the end of the Cold War, depending on foreign superpowers has become more of an unwanted and unnecessary burden, and it's natural that the european states would try to build their own sovereign entity, that ensured its survival and independence, without having to rely on external forces again. The matter of the EU being an opaque bureaucratic circlejerk is a different matter... it doesn't mean the EU isn't a good idea, but rather that the execution of the idea can (and should) be carried out better. But even as things are now, the pros heavily outweigh the cons imo... and while I'm in favour of changing it, I think regressing it or outright destroying it would be a huge mistake.

Soo let's say extension goes through, options are:

- More voting on the already existing May deal with some minor changes
- No deal still (unlikely imo)
- Renegotiate a new deal
- New elections
- New referendum
- No confidence vote against May
- No brexit (unlikely too, but more likely than no deal)

Any I've missed?

and how would you change the EU? the people right there are doing quite alright for themselves and they certainly wont just change things if we ask them nicely
thats why i would like rebuild from scratch
the only way to do that is for willing EU members to stop financing this mess to get rid of everything/everyone and then implement the tools we need
economy/trade, security, defense, international affairs, thats all a european union needs to worry about, no messing around with education and national laws to name two examples

the current EU cant handle what they are supposed to handle and i many cases they dont want to
they talk about controlling migration, when they cant even control migration in the member states

just today there was a report about the german city of hagen, an entire romanian village has packed their shit and showed up there
and frontex receiving up to 10k men to actually control the EU borders is not happening right now, when we need it most (and it already should have happened), no they decide to defer the whole thing until 2027

it has become laughable, the mighty EU cant even perform the simplest tasks despite devouring hundreds of billions every year



i think thats all, but to be honest i just want that shit to end, one way or the other