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School choice is widely opposed on the left, Bernie now included.
The health plan he voted for raised the cost of healthcare plans and greatly restricted choices.


people who oppose universal healthcare systems shouldn't complain about costs
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School choice is widely opposed on the left, Bernie now included.
The health plan he voted for raised the cost of healthcare plans and greatly restricted choices.

Enormous government tax and spend schemes and massive regulations are not required for free choice and actively inhibit choice.



Yes he would help kick them out of the working class.
He would help them become poorer by severely damaging the economy.
He would help lock the poor and their children out of jobs with artificial raises in the cost to hire them and by trying to tax the shit out of people who want to do business and employ people in America.
And he would help raise the cost of goods and services they want to buy.
What a nice guy.

Free expensive stuff, central planning, massive taxation and government, pretend scarcity doesn't exist, end free choice, mercantilism. YAY!
Fight against economics and reality 2016
herp derp feel the bern.



I'm BAAAck! was following the Mali thing..

I want to know why you think Obamacare has limited the choice in anyway what so ever? A person only has have health insurance, If they can't afford health insurance it IS made affordable
that is only common sense. The fact of the matter is that most of the nation is now covered by health insurance, and that's a good thing a healthier population is good for every segment of society. Less sick days at work = better production. Less sick days in schools = better educations. And healthier people in the lowest income bracket= less money spent on medicaid. Win, win win.

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P.S. send out a search party for Valhalls. I have some great new examples of the type of toxicity from the left we were discussing. Thanks for helping out saucy^^


go ahead and hit me with this I'm not sure if I'm ready or not... LOL
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I want to know why you think Obamacare has limited the choice in anyway what so ever? A person only has have health insurance, If they can't afford health insurance it IS made affordable

It coerces people into buying specific expensive types of insurance that comply with the law and made the options for most people worse and more expensive. (a number of taxes and additional regulations in the ridiculously named affordable care act contributed to this)
He calls it cadillac insurance, completely missing the reasons why most people don't buy cadillacs.
They choose to buy more goods and services more suitable for them. (Affordable, catered to their particular needs and interests, etc)

Pretty clearly if someone doesn't want insurance or wants a different type of insurance and the law inhibits and restricts that, their choice is being limited.

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that is only common sense. The fact of the matter is that most of the nation is now covered by health insurance, and that's a good thing a healthier population is good for every segment of society. Less sick days at work = better production. Less sick days in schools = better educations. And healthier people in the lowest income bracket= less money spent on medicaid. Win, win win.

Whether you think forcing people to buy health care coverage is good or not is your own subjective valuation and doesn't pertain to whether its restricting choice or not.

I would stress that the means are part of the ends.
Nor is a bill that restricts choice, forces people to buy from select insurance corporations and makes it more expensive and a million other things the only way to increase access to healthcare.


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go ahead and hit me with this I'm not sure if I'm ready or not... LOL

I was just talking about saucykid chiming in with some insults as entire posts.

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your people are sick bigots
it's just those republicans, first they overbid in bigotery, second they cant take refugees because they scared they bigotvoters, hilarious.

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anarcho capitalist tring to explain economy, i think i saw really everything in this forum.
please keep some dignity at least

The more than occasional posting of memes in various threads mocking republicans as inbred rednecks. etc.

I also stumbled across some classics of the foreign investment in third world countries debates:
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I am convinced that this kid is retarded and insane. I wonder how he gets so much computer time at the permanent care facility he must reside in.

...

You've already gone over how you're an unethical monster who doesn't understand the devastating effect of child labor.

(hes a fan)
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The good does not outweigh the bad, people are being rewarded for the exploitation of the vulnerable.
Your libertarian views are fine if you are happy with being evil and morally bankrupt, i myself am neither.

(He wanted to literally ban foreign investment.)
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your points will always be valid for someone totally ruthless and heartless
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=cambovenzi,20 Nov 2015 10:30]It coerces people into buying specific expensive types of insurance that comply with the law and made the options for most people worse and more expensive. (a number of taxes and additional regulations in the ridiculously named affordable care act contributed to this)
He calls it cadillac insurance, completely missing the reasons why most people don't buy cadillacs.
They choose to buy more goods and services more suitable for them. (Affordable, catered to their particular needs and interests, etc)

Pretty clearly if someone doesn't want insurance or wants a different type of insurance and the law inhibits and restricts that, their choice is being limited.


Whether you think forcing people to buy health care coverage is good or not is your own subjective valuation and doesn't pertain to whether its restricting choice or not.

I would stress that the means are part of the ends.
Nor is a bill that restricts choice, forces people to buy from select insurance corporations and makes it more expensive and a million other things the only way to increase access to healthcare.




I'll honestly speak from my own experience, when i had jobs that offered group health insurance plans there were never any options, in fact the companies portion of the payment was considered
part of the benefits package sometimes, and other times the only benefit was the group buying power, the HRM negotiated the plan and that was that. It was still better than ever buying a plan on your own. After my Bleed and two brain surgeries I was lucky that I was covered at the time of. but the company closed a year after my recovery. I became impossible to insure, or without codicil at least. Then My back started to give me problems and we learned of my problem with it. The only way I could ever be covered would be with the ACA. When I applied there was a multitude of choices of plans and of companies to choose from. It actually was a daunting task to make the right decision.

What I'm saying is that there are millions like me who only have insurance because of the ACA. Again it hasn't cut down on choice you can have whatever insurance company you choose, or prove and agree to pay for your own medical treatments. There is a wide range of choice if you explore it.


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I was just talking about saucykid chiming in with some insults as entire posts.



The more than occasional posting of memes in various threads mocking republicans as inbred rednecks. etc.

I also stumbled across some classics of the foreign investment in third world countries debates:

(hes a fan)

(He wanted to literally ban foreign investment.)


Oh Okay I've been so single minded lately
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Nov 20 2015 10:49am


Even the freakensteins the left have created want to vote for Trump.

This post was edited by j0ltk0la on Nov 20 2015 10:50am
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Nov 20 2015 10:57am
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GL thinkin you can keep your property and "liberty" in an "anarcho capitalist" country (that wont stay long a country btw lol), it's just dramatic to end up into that non-sense.
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Nov 20 2015 11:10am
Quote (j0ltk0la @ 20 Nov 2015 11:49)
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Even the freakensteins the left have created want to vote for Trump.



He is turning out to be one

looks like he's just a bitch, doing whatever those attention whores say, to get more likes.
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Nov 20 2015 11:16am
Quote (Valhalls_Sun @ Nov 20 2015 12:10pm)
He is turning out to be one

looks like he's just a bitch, doing whatever those attention whores say, to get more likes.


....wow , you're all rainbow flag waving cheerleader unless the tranny turns out to be a Republican . The stink of hypocrisy is overwhelming .
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Nov 20 2015 11:20am
Quote (Saucisson6000 @ Nov 20 2015 11:57am)
GL thinkin you can keep your property and "liberty" in an "anarcho capitalist" country (that wont stay long a country btw lol), it's just dramatic to end up into that non-sense.


More off-topic buffoonery. Sigh.

Yeah because no one would willingly pay for security. :bonk:
Its clear you have worse than an elementary understanding of anarcho-capitalism and capitalism in general.

Simple thoughts...

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