The new one was bullshit and hardly relevant since he isnt going up against anyone yet. The OP should have waited until the dem nom was made.

Boy, Trump sure is handling NK well. They now have submersible missile technology and it will only get better.

NK nuclear technology has grown leaps and bounds during this wacko presidency. So much winning!

It was probably allowed in a trade for Kim to have his hackers investigate Scummy Joe and Crooked Hillary!

Probably right. Art of deal as they say.

m4a in the iteration Warren and Bernie propose would imply that 180++ million americans are forcibly kicked off their current plans because private plans would be outlawed. these people would have no idea and no guarantee that the new, government-run medicare-for-all plan would cover the same stuff as their customized previous plan, or if the quality of the services would be retained/improved.


that's a huge number of people the m4a-advocates are asking to buy a pig in a poke...

This post was edited by Black XistenZ on Oct 3 2019 04:16pm

Quality of service has zero to do with your insurance, except keeping you away from services by refusing to pay. Insurance doesn't run the hospitals or clinics, but it does fight tooth and nail to keep the bill for things like out of network services on your end and not covered by them.

Also, the government mandates things be covered that insurance fought tooth and nail to avoid covering, so the idea that the government plans in America would cover less than the insurance plans that only have incentive to reduce coverage as much as possible is pretty laughable.

There's lots of reasons to be skeptical of government run healthcare, but the things you brought up are solid marks in favor of centralized plans.

This post was edited by Thor123422 on Oct 3 2019 04:38pm

Yet this topic is less BS because it's 3 years out of date and concerns an opponent that won't run this time? Seriously? LOL

Hey man just saying. You jumped the gun a little if you wanted to replace this shithole.

quality of service has a fuckton to do with the amount of money in the system.
a stronger role of the government (through medicare4all, or for example through tighter regulation) can force insurance companies to cut their profits (or leave the market altogether) and inject more of their dues back into the healthcare system. but large, government-run programs of any kind (not limited to healthcare) tend to always turn out inefficient and hard to reform. so it's highly debatable if scrapping private insurances entirely will yield a better outcome than a reform (e.g. with tighter regulation) of the current system.

also, it is more than doubtful that the government-run plan will cover everything that some of the current, private plans cover. perhaps medicare4all will provide more benefits than the average private plan, but definitely not all the benefits that some people currently enjoy within a diversified, customized market. and even this conclusion that it would cover more does not necessarily follow from your (correct) statement that "government mandates the things to be covered, and there exist some things that private insurers really dont wont to cover which could be made available under medicare4all".


for a good overview of the details of Bernie's plan, to which most other democratic candidates have signed on, see this article:
https://www.politico.com/story/2019/04/10/sanders-medicare-for-all-1341799

This post was edited by Black XistenZ on Oct 3 2019 05:28pm

of course quality has to do with insurance. not every doc or hospital accepts every insurance. i would expect any government insurance to not pay as well as private insurances, as is the case now with medicare, etc. many docs wont accept it because it doesnt pay well, its not worth their time to deal with those patients. unless you propose to mandate that docs HAVE to accept the universal gov insurance, which is ludicrous, i would expect that many of the better docs would not accept it.