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Mar 12 2019 01:54pm
Quote (Black XistenZ @ 12 Mar 2019 19:25)
yes, because then a despot or dictator could criminalize and disenfranchise everyone who's protesting or fighting against him.

so i would really limit it to "revoke citizenship of those who participate in armed combat for a hostile foreign power".


that pretty much exists in german law already, maybe the paragraphs need some adjustments to respond to the 21st century, but its not like these tools dont exist

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Taking up arms against your country of residence should be grounds for having your citizenship revoked. Is this a dangerous line of thinking?


well, overall many can agree with that statement

however venezuela would be an example where things become tricky
taking up arms against "your country" in that case is fully justified
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Quote (Black XistenZ @ Mar 12 2019 01:25pm)
yes, because then a despot or dictator could criminalize and disenfranchise everyone who's protesting or fighting against him.

so i would really limit it to "revoke citizenship of those who participate in armed combat for a hostile foreign power".


That's a better phrasing of my thoughts on the matter

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however venezuela would be an example where things become tricky
taking up arms against "your country" in that case is fully justified


A revolt against those in power is something that i always support :thumbsup:

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Mar 12 2019 04:09pm
And the No's have it on May's deal.

The No-deal vote's going to fail too I presume. So then it's on to extension and hoping EU agrees?
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Mar 12 2019 04:33pm
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And the No's have it on May's deal.

The No-deal vote's going to fail too I presume. So then it's on to extension and hoping EU agrees?


Yeah, however the EU doesn't want to extend unless there is a good reason, pretty much either a general election or 2nd referendum. But will they agree on some bullshit pretext to avoid a no deal? I think so...

I actually think a general election will have to be called now, we're at an impasse.

Phase 2 of the dro prediction is complete (this was a quote from before the 1st vote):

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No, I think it's more along the lines of there being a deadlock after May's deal is rejected which will force us to remain. If the EU doesn't throw May a bone then her deal will get rejected in parliament by a landslide, that much is very clear. The current deal is not popular with both pro-EU and Brexiteer MP's, who will be voting against a plausible deal and either wanting a 2nd referendum or a much better deal off the back of it respectively. The Conservatives will never agree to a 2nd referendum with the option to renege, so the only way that a 2nd referendum would take place is if they called a general election AND lost to Corbyn, which is very unlikely. On the flip side, Brexiteers will not get the fantasy deal they dreamed of and will go to the grave blaming it on May and other sinister 'forces' instead of taking responsibility. So they'll wait for the better deal that doesn't exist, in doing so dooming the Brexit process by dangling the country on a knife edge and forcing our leaders to take the least damaging option at the last minute - to remain.

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Quote (dro94 @ 12 Mar 2019 23:33)
Yeah, however the EU doesn't want to extend unless there is a good reason, pretty much either a general election or 2nd referendum. But will they agree on some bullshit pretext to avoid a no deal? I think so...

I actually think a general election will have to be called now, we're at an impasse.

Phase 2 of the dro prediction is complete (this was a quote from before the 1st vote):


might be a bit hyperbolic, but if May and/or Corbyn seriously just go "welp, it didnt work out, let's cancel this whole brexit thing", then we might very well be on our way to PM Farage.
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Quote (dro94 @ 12 Mar 2019 23:33)
Yeah, however the EU doesn't want to extend unless there is a good reason, pretty much either a general election or 2nd referendum. But will they agree on some bullshit pretext to avoid a no deal? I think so...

I actually think a general election will have to be called now, we're at an impasse.

Phase 2 of the dro prediction is complete (this was a quote from before the 1st vote):


pretty good prediction my friend
i also said some months ago that i am starting to see a scenario, where brexit wont happen at all and it will be like as if nothing happened

may and her minions are actively sabotaging brexit, that much should be very clear by now
i dont think many people realise how these morons are burying the british democracy over their own selfishness

the way things are going now no british citizen has any reason to vote at all, it wont matter anyway

of course the leftist press will celebrate like crazy, when that happens, and praise it as a victory for democracy, when its the exact opposite
and the EU will get another confirmation for their successful "voting until it fits" or "mess around until it fits" agenda

disgraceful

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Mar 12 2019 09:34pm
Second Referendum is fine, it's perfectly justified regarding the rise of fart right fuckoffs populists on social medias and the unbelievable shit western countries are facing because of it. Populists lied on many points and, the most important - and a proof -: they avoided to take the brexit lead, it's a complete disgrace.
No one can argue seriously against a confirmation button. Problem is T. May is limited and refused to do it. Maybe she can still change her mind later or being "forced" by Mp's. Else it's 3 months delay, then few years, without a seat in EU parliament, humiliating.
Noticed EU countries have been pretty much united all along 👌
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Mar 12 2019 10:55pm
https://youtu.be/KilLxiMO50A

1.35.35 didn't watched all but this.ons has a good poin: morons arguing about democracy while they committed a blatant fraud of lies and demagogy.

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Quote (Black XistenZ @ 13 Mar 2019 00:16)
might be a bit hyperbolic, but if May and/or Corbyn seriously just go "welp, it didnt work out, let's cancel this whole brexit thing", then we might very well be on our way to PM Farage.


i'd LOVE to see that - but you don't actually expect that twat to accept any real responsibility and deal with the political fallout of his fearmongering and lying, do you? he'd rather get another term in the european parliament that he despises so much (not enough to reject his taxpayer funded pension though ofc), make a couple of attention-grabbing public statements to show how much he opposes the EU, but otherwise live the cozy life of the 'lazy EU bureaucrat' that he constantly bitches about...


Quote (Saucisson6000 @ 13 Mar 2019 04:34)
Second Referendum is fine, it's perfectly justified regarding the rise of fart right fuckoffs populists on social medias and the unbelievable shit western countries are facing because of it. Populists lied on many points and, the most important - and a proof -: they avoided to take the brexit lead, it's a complete disgrace.
No one can argue seriously against a confirmation button. Problem is T. May is limited and refused to do it. Maybe she can still change her mind later or being "forced" by Mp's. Else it's 3 months delay, then few years, without a seat in EU parliament, humiliating.
Noticed EU countries have been pretty much united all along 👌


technically maybe, but i strongly oppose it for several reasons:

- first of all, it shouldn't matter how un- and misinformed voters were, they all had the opportunity to do their research, it's not like the information wasn't available - so their vote should count. the fact that the scam artists (farage, johnson...) avoided to take any political responsibility shouldn't matter either because again, to any somewhat informed voter they were easily identifiable as such, and it's not illegal to lie to the public like that during a campaign.

- secondly, it would be awful to have the uk remain after this - if they voted that way. a significant portion of their population would (somewhat rightfully) feel screwed over by their government, and be even more opposed to the EU than they had been anyway. given the severe problems the EU faces already, it's time to end this unfortunate alliance for good now. also, on what conditions would we take them back should they switch to remain now? still the special treatment they had before, despite this whole episode? how would that be fair towards all the other members? no, the bitching, scapegoating, and simultaneous cream skimming has to end here.

#hardbrexitnow
#leavemeansleave
#chlorinatedchicken
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