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Aug 13 2019 04:06pm
Quote (Ghot @ Aug 12 2019 07:15pm)
In the US it is. :)


/e I mean if other folk want to become citizens, and pay taxes, etc., then they can vote on things too.


/ee ...and when I say become citizens, I mean all the way.Learn the language, and support the US as well. None of this, come to the US, poof you're a citizen, and then yousupport some other country... that's BS.


im inclined to agree with the bolded. what do you mean by support some other country?I do agree if you are immigrating from another country you most likely dont like the way your homeland is run or the values it carries.In turn you should support your new country and not try to change it to the way your homeland was.When I was being educated in school I was always taught immigration and assimilation go hand in hand. But I am curious by what you are referring to by "supporting some other country"

This post was edited by kalelvszod on Aug 13 2019 04:06pm
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https://www.cnn.com/interactive/2019/business/stock-market-by-president/index.html

Presidents scored by how well the stock market did under their administration. Notice how much better Democrat presidents are than Republican presidents at this? Lol. Reagan killed it his second term also, only outdone by first term Barack. and Clinton both terms....wait a sec...


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Ronald Reagan

The S&P 500 since taking office
President Ronald Reagan’s first four years in the White House weren’t particularly lucrative for Wall Street.

Crushed by Federal Reserve Chairman Paul Volcker’s war on inflation, the economy stumbled into a brief recession in July 1981. Unemployment spiked to nearly 11%.

But Volcker’s rate hikes and Reagan’s corporate tax cuts eventually broke the back of inflation, setting the stage for rapid economic growth. Under Reagan, America drastically ramped up defense spending in a successful bid to bring down the Soviet Union.

Despite the strong economy, Wall Street suffered its worst day ever under Reagan. The Dow plunged an astonishing 22.6% on Black Monday — equaling about 5,500 points today.

Nonetheless, the S&P 500 posted five separate years of double-digit growth on the Gipper’s watch, including a 26% spike in 1985.

1st term
+30%
20, 1981 – Jan. 20, 1985

2nd term
+67%
Jan. 20, 1985 – Jan. 20, 1989





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George H.W. Bush

The economy and stock market surged in President George H. W. Bush’s first year in office. The S&P 500 climbed 27% in 1989.

But then the savings-and-loan crisis and Gulf War struck. Oil prices more than doubled after Iraq invaded Kuwait. Growth slowed, and the American economy slipped into a mild recession in July 1990.

While the recession ended in March 1991, the recovery was choppy. Two years later, unemployment remained around 7%. The sluggish economy led to Bush’s defeat in 1992.

1st term
+51%
Jan. 20, 1989 – Jan. 20, 1993




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Bill Clinton

The roaring 1990s were very kind to Wall Street.

Stocks spiked — the S&P 500 increased 210% under President Bill Clinton — as investors celebrated the rise of the Internet and brisk economic growth. Clinton presided over two of the S&P 500’s top 10 years: 1995 and 1997.

GDP topped 4% in five of Clinton’s eight years in the White House. Inflation remained stable. Unemployment dipped below 4%. And the United States enjoyed the longest period of uninterrupted economic growth in modern history.

The era was punctuated by the dotcom boom, which amounted to the creation of an entirely new industry. The Nasdaq spiked sevenfold between 1993 and its peak in early 2000. The mania created vast amounts of wealth — much of which would disappear as the bubble inevitably popped.

1st term
+79%
Jan. 20, 1993 – Jan. 20, 1997

2nd term
+73%
Jan. 20, 1997 – Jan. 20, 2001



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George W. Bush

Investors who bet that a businessman in the White House would translate into strong returns were badly disappointed during President George W. Bush’s presidency.

The S&P 500 declined 40% under Bush, the worst among modern administrations.

Bush inherited the dotcom bust, which spawned the 2001 recession. The downturn was deepened by the 9/11 terror attacks.

Growth gathered steam in 2004 and 2005, fueled in part by low interest rates and the housing boom. But that bubble also popped in spectacular fashion, ushering in the Great Recession and the scariest financial crisis in a generation.

In the final quarter of Bush’s tenure, GDP plummeted at an 8.4% annual rate. Unemployment began rising rapidly. The S&P 500 plummeted 38% in 2008, its worst year since the Great Depression.

1st term
-12%
Jan. 20, 2001 – Jan. 20, 2005

2nd term
-31%
Jan. 20, 2005 – Jan. 20, 2009


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Barack Obama

The Wall Street meltdown continued during the first few months of President Barack Obama’s presidency.

The financial and auto industries teetered on the brink of collapse before government bailouts saved them both. Unemployment would peak at 10% in 2009, doubling in barely a year.

The stock market bottomed out in March 2009, but then the economy slowly healed, beginning what would eventually become the longest bull market in American history.


Digging out of the depths of the Great Recession was a long and slow process, though. Annual GDP growth never topped 3% in the Obama era.

Hoping to juice the economy, the Fed kept pumping easy money into the system. The unprecedented experiment helped send stocks soaring — the S&P 500 nearly tripled during the Obama era — but also contributed to wealth inequality and populism.

1st term
+85%
Jan. 20, 2009 – Jan. 20, 2013

2nd term
+53%
Jan. 20, 2013 – Jan. 20, 2017



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Donald Trump

President Donald Trump’s upset victory initially fueled a breathtaking rally in the stock market.

His pro-business agenda of tax cuts, deregulation and infrastructure spending carried the Dow from 18,332 on Election Day above 21,000 by March 2017.

Trump’s signature legislative achievement – the tax overhaul – sent the market boom into overdrive. The Dow eventually surged above 26,000. Economic growth accelerated above 4% in mid-2018. Corporate profits spiked. And the unemployment rate plunged below 4%.

Since then, markets have been in for a choppier ride, largely due to jitters over international trade — but overall, the upward trend remains intact.

Cumulatively, the S&P 500 is up 29% from Trump’s inauguration to the market close on August 13, 2019.

Current term

+29%
Jan. 20, 2017 – Aug. 13, 2019


This post was edited by Skinned on Aug 13 2019 04:45pm
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Aug 13 2019 04:56pm
just watched the cuomo thing for the first time

buncha cringey middle aged chest puffing imo but whatever nobody got hurt not really my business
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Aug 13 2019 05:02pm
Quote (Skinned @ 14 Aug 2019 00:43)
https://www.cnn.com/interactive/2019/business/stock-market-by-president/index.html

Presidents scored by how well the stock market did under their administration. Notice how much better Democrat presidents are than Republican presidents at this? Lol. Reagan killed it his second term also, only outdone by first term Barack. and Clinton both terms....wait a sec...


so?

of course the increases of a president will look good if he takes over when the market is at its lowest and the natural catch-up falls into his term, as was the case with obama.
taking over a mature boom market and pushing it even further, like trump did, is nothing to sneeze at either.

conversely, gwb got the short end of the stick in this metric because the bubble which exploded in his term was one that had been building up thanks to the deregulatory policies of reagan, his daddy, clinton and himself. 4 men who imho are equally at fault for the great recession, yet gwb is the one who gets the most blame for it.


tldr: dont judge presidents by the stock market.
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Aug 13 2019 05:06pm
Quote (Voyaging @ Jul 18 2015 07:26am)
I'm seriously so sick of hearing about Trump already; he's a fringe candidate who stands no chance at getting the nomination. He's this year's Ron Paul (gets tons of attention on the internet but loses by a landslide).


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Aug 13 2019 06:01pm
Quote (Voyaging @ Jul 18 2015 08:26am)
I'm seriously so sick of hearing about Trump already; he's a fringe candidate who stands no chance at getting the nomination. He's this year's Ron Paul (gets tons of attention on the internet but loses by a landslide).


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Aug 13 2019 06:06pm
1. Cuomo over reacted
2. Fredo isn't a racial slur, that was just stupid
3. no him over reacting isn't a big deal
4. the only really bad part was the threat to hurt the guy

it is at least refreshing to not have silly trump stories rule the headlines for a day.
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Aug 13 2019 06:40pm
Quote (IceMage @ Aug 13 2019 10:48am)
The cult has a weird view of masculinity. Trump's supposed to be a tough guy because he talks shit about people who aren't in front of him... but when Cuomo is insulted in front of his family, he's a pussy because he was willing to throw down with the dude?

If you want to say he overreacted, that's fine. And there's something to be said about ignoring idiots who are just trying to provoke you. But threatening to beat some guy's ass who just insulted you isn't exactly abnormal behavior among men. In a lot of places, it's the only respectable response.


You're saying cult & yet that's another post bringing up Trump, despite this having nothing to do with him. It's almost like you're devoted or something

Pussy probably wasn't the right word. Albeit getting so butt hurt over a trivial name like 'Fredo' that you want to fight someone is pretty weird though. I mean, I can respect Cuomo's not taking any bullshit, but pick your battles man

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Kirstjen Nielsen, Sarah Sanders, Ted Cruz get shouted out of restaurants, with people screaming in their faces..... & leave.

Chris Coumo gets called a fictional character from a movie & calls him a "punk bitch", tells him "he will ruin his shit", & that he will "fucking throw him down these stairs"

lol

Imagine if someone like Hannity had a meltdown like that

It's pretty funny though, he inadvertently created his own nickname by making such a big deal out of it. He became the very thing he swore to destroy


This post was edited by IgoSoHard on Aug 13 2019 06:49pm
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Aug 14 2019 07:16am
Quote (IgoSoHard @ Aug 13 2019 08:40pm)
You're saying cult & yet that's another post bringing up Trump, despite this having nothing to do with him. It's almost like you're devoted or something

Pussy probably wasn't the right word. Albeit getting so butt hurt over a trivial name like 'Fredo' that you want to fight someone is pretty weird though. I mean, I can respect Cuomo's not taking any bullshit, but pick your battles man

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Kirstjen Nielsen, Sarah Sanders, Ted Cruz get shouted out of restaurants, with people screaming in their faces..... & leave.

Chris Coumo gets called a fictional character from a movie & calls him a "punk bitch", tells him "he will ruin his shit", & that he will "fucking throw him down these stairs"

lol

Imagine if someone like Hannity had a meltdown like that

It's pretty funny though, he inadvertently created his own nickname by making such a big deal out of it. He became the very thing he swore to destroy


No, it's just worth pointing out hypocrisy when it exists. And it's a constant theme because cultists have one standard for Trump, and an entirely different standard for everyone else, particularly people they don't like.

I can sympathize because he probably gets idiots harassing him all the time. And confronting him about a substantive issue(like biased coverage) is a bit different than insulting him.

But yes, he had a reaction, so all the serious-minded, mature right-wingers will call him Fredo. I guess when the leader of the free world engages in immature nonsense, it's easier for others to do so.
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Aug 14 2019 07:39am
Quote (IgoSoHard @ 13 Aug 2019 20:40)
You're saying cult & yet that's another post bringing up Trump, despite this having nothing to do with him. It's almost like you're devoted or something

Pussy probably wasn't the right word. Albeit getting so butt hurt over a trivial name like 'Fredo' that you want to fight someone is pretty weird though. I mean, I can respect Cuomo's not taking any bullshit, but pick your battles man

~

Kirstjen Nielsen, Sarah Sanders, Ted Cruz get shouted out of restaurants, with people screaming in their faces..... & leave.

Chris Coumo gets called a fictional character from a movie & calls him a "punk bitch", tells him "he will ruin his shit", & that he will "fucking throw him down these stairs"

lol

Imagine if someone like Hannity had a meltdown like that

It's pretty funny though, he inadvertently created his own nickname by making such a big deal out of it. He became the very thing he swore to destroy


another cnn employee seemed to be the catalyst for Fredo’s vile, threatening outburst that icepeon is defending

https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/don-lemon-categorically-denies-claims-001441303.html?.tsrc=daily_mail&uh_test=1_04

per the rules of the tabloid media such as buzzfeed 2.0 lemon and cuomo are guilty and we need multiple investigations and congressional hearings and maybe a grand jury or two to get to the bottom of this rageful group that masquerades as “honest news”
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