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Apr 2 2020 06:36pm
Quote (KungPeriodFu @ 3 Apr 2020 02:21)
so much of what is happening is because westerners, americans in particular seem to think theyre the master race.

before this got out of hand i recall so many americans saying that the country was prepared for this, that their superior healthcare system would provide, that clean tap water would halt the spread, that their manners and general civility (LOL) wouldnt allow for the virus to spread.

well look how that turned out.


aside from the unavailability of bats and muskrats at the butcher, there's hardly any difference between a wildlife butcher and an ordinary run-of-the-mill butcher in the states.
america is really not that different.


Chinese nationalism is same or worse.

Chinese government deliberately cheated on numbers and contaminated all others countries much more than if the truth has been reveled.

US healthcare sucks but their borders would have been closed much earlier.

Hopefully they are their first own enemies.

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Apr 2 2020 06:41pm
Quote (InsaneBobb @ Apr 2 2020 05:31pm)
This is nothing but hyperbole. This got out of hand early January. Very few westerners were saying they "could handle it". There's been global concern ever since it became clear there should be, which was already too late to do anything.

The disinfectant standards in western nations when it comes to meat butchering and preparation and serving is many times higher than those in third world countries. To say there is "no difference" is asinine. It CAN be argued that due to growing up to these lower standards, the immune systems of those in third world countries might be stronger, and that could be true.

That being said, I'm not going to drink lake water without boiling or even distilling it first. Why? Because I know the odds of introducing myself to potentially lethal pathogens is much lower doing it the western way.

Stop trying to blame everyone else. The virus did not originate in the west. Western standards are not at fault. And no matter what standards the west attempts to uphold, we aren't magic. All we can do is our best to understand the issue and correct it in as timely of a manner as possible.



Lol so much clouded FOX talk. I would agree that generally our sanitation standards are higher. But this could of happened in a “western” culture country very easily. Again governors stating they aren’t getting the help from the feds yes there were plenty of westerners saying they could handle it. As they were like you stating that is no worse the than the flu. Few hours ago you stated that this epidemic is the cold. Why all this debate about nobody was ready etc. why get ready for the cold as you put it
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Quote (InsaneBobb @ Apr 3 2020 08:31am)
This is nothing but hyperbole. This got out of hand early January. Very few westerners were saying they "could handle it". There's been global concern ever since it became clear there should be, which was already too late to do anything.

The disinfectant standards in western nations when it comes to meat butchering and preparation and serving is many times higher than those in third world countries. To say there is "no difference" is asinine. It CAN be argued that due to growing up to these lower standards, the immune systems of those in third world countries might be stronger, and that could be true.

That being said, I'm not going to drink lake water without boiling or even distilling it first. Why? Because I know the odds of introducing myself to potentially lethal pathogens is much lower doing it the western way.

Stop trying to blame everyone else. The virus did not originate in the west. Western standards are not at fault. And no matter what standards the west attempts to uphold, we aren't magic. All we can do is our best to understand the issue and correct it in as timely of a manner as possible.


you're right that it got out of hand a long long time ago.

the rest of what you're saying is gibberish really.. i can tell you have no worldly experience
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Quote (ofthevoid @ Apr 2 2020 11:31am)
That's assuming that this person would of been given free reign to report, when that's not really consistent with how China runs things. Few weeks back they kicked out a bunch of western journalists who might report on Wuhan. They also have pretty tight controls on the internet so to think if this one person would have given some info that undermines the Chinese government is pie in the sky.


we get reports about terrible shit going on in china all the time (camps for muslims last i recall), why would this have been any different? that aside are you seriously taking the position that the trump admin undermining the ability of americans to be prepared for a pandemic from china ahead of time is just fine because you believe it might not have made a difference anyway?

you do know you don't have to defend every dumb thing this admin does?
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Quote (theCrossbones @ Apr 2 2020 05:41pm)
Lol so much clouded FOX talk. I would agree that generally our sanitation standards are higher. But this could of happened in a “western” culture country very easily. Again governors stating they aren’t getting the help from the feds yes there were plenty of westerners saying they could handle it. As they were like you stating that is no worse the than the flu. Few hours ago you stated that this epidemic is the cold. Why all this debate about nobody was ready etc. why get ready for the cold as you put it


You're very strange. You don't follow any line of linear or rational thought. So, I guess, let's go point by point:

1. I have not utilized Fox News for any portion of my research into coronaviruses in general, the 3 potentially lethal coronaviruses I'm aware of, or the world scenario regarding COVID19. Your attempted insult regarding Fox News is not relevant in any way, shape, or form. If, however, my attempt to calm hyperbolic internet nerds down a bit and prevent what panic I can are similar to the efforts of Fox News, perhaps they're doing something right.

2. Not generally. Western sanitation standards are many times higher than that of the third world. There is no question. This is not a grudging admission, it is a statement of fact.

3. Exactly what could have happened in a western nation just as easily? Strange illnesses? I mean, I guess. But it would be severely atypical. Due to our sanitation standards, as well as food storage, preparation, handling, and disposal standards, not to mention a much much lower population density, and as compared to China specifically, a pollution (especially toxic) MAGNITUDES lower, it's highly unlikely. Is the possibility there? Sure! But due SPECIFICALLY to the western standards, it's highly unlikely. China can conduct it's affairs however the fuck it wants. They're a sovereign nation. I'm not insulting them. But this is THEIR issue, which THEY inflicted on the world. The rest of the world is simply trying to help resolve it.

4. The federal government is spending like mad trying to alleviate this issue. Those trillions are going to serve to depress our economy for quite some time. This has been a catastrophe, as far as the federal government is concerned. What more do you expect them to do, exactly?

5. Thus far, it's NOT worse than the flu. As a point in fact, as the numbers stand right now, the Flu is in excess of 10x worse. That may change, as I have said countless times. The fact that you fail to understand that appears to be due to nothing more than your personal emotional instability. Seek a counselor, they can help with that.

6. Everyone attempted to "get ready". A coronavirus is a cold virus. Same symptoms, same incubation rates, same contagion factor. Which means containing it without getting to case zero nearly immediately is virtually impossible. What steps, SPECIFICALLY, do you, sir genius, suggest should have been taken that would have been meaningful?
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Apr 2 2020 07:13pm
Quote (InsaneBobb @ Apr 2 2020 08:58pm)
You're very strange. You don't follow any line of linear or rational thought. So, I guess, let's go point by point:

1. I have not utilized Fox News for any portion of my research into coronaviruses in general, the 3 potentially lethal coronaviruses I'm aware of, or the world scenario regarding COVID19. Your attempted insult regarding Fox News is not relevant in any way, shape, or form. If, however, my attempt to calm hyperbolic internet nerds down a bit and prevent what panic I can are similar to the efforts of Fox News, perhaps they're doing something right.

2. Not generally. Western sanitation standards are many times higher than that of the third world. There is no question. This is not a grudging admission, it is a statement of fact.

3. Exactly what could have happened in a western nation just as easily? Strange illnesses? I mean, I guess. But it would be severely atypical. Due to our sanitation standards, as well as food storage, preparation, handling, and disposal standards, not to mention a much much lower population density, and as compared to China specifically, a pollution (especially toxic) MAGNITUDES lower, it's highly unlikely. Is the possibility there? Sure! But due SPECIFICALLY to the western standards, it's highly unlikely. China can conduct it's affairs however the fuck it wants. They're a sovereign nation. I'm not insulting them. But this is THEIR issue, which THEY inflicted on the world. The rest of the world is simply trying to help resolve it.

4. The federal government is spending like mad trying to alleviate this issue. Those trillions are going to serve to depress our economy for quite some time. This has been a catastrophe, as far as the federal government is concerned. What more do you expect them to do, exactly?

5. Thus far, it's NOT worse than the flu. As a point in fact, as the numbers stand right now, the Flu is in excess of 10x worse. That may change, as I have said countless times. The fact that you fail to understand that appears to be due to nothing more than your personal emotional instability. Seek a counselor, they can help with that.

6. Everyone attempted to "get ready". A coronavirus is a cold virus. Same symptoms, same incubation rates, same contagion factor. Which means containing it without getting to case zero nearly immediately is virtually impossible. What steps, SPECIFICALLY, do you, sir genius, suggest should have been taken that would have been meaningful?


Lefties have a very high rate of mental illness, best to let reality take care of it.

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Apr 2 2020 07:30pm
Quote (LA-Leviathan @ Apr 2 2020 06:13pm)
Lefties have a very high rate of mental illness, best to let reality take care of it.


I respectfully disagree. People are people and we all have to live and interact with each other.

Allowing a person to panic and cause harm to everyone around them because you fail to properly inform them of what's going on doesn't make them wrong, it means you're every bit as sociopathic as they are.
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Apr 2 2020 08:05pm
Quote (LA-Leviathan @ Apr 2 2020 06:13pm)
Lefties have a very high rate of mental illness, best to let reality take care of it.



Coming from the guy who spends his days telling everyone on JSP everyone his opinion is more valid because he is independently wealthy with no proof. Hi again troll
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Apr 2 2020 08:23pm
Quote (theCrossbones @ Apr 2 2020 10:05pm)
Coming from the guy who spends his days telling everyone on JSP everyone his opinion is more valid because he is independently wealthy with no proof. Hi again troll


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Apr 2 2020 08:34pm
Quote (duffman316 @ Apr 2 2020 08:56pm)
we get reports about terrible shit going on in china all the time (camps for muslims last i recall), why would this have been any different? that aside are you seriously taking the position that the trump admin undermining the ability of americans to be prepared for a pandemic from china ahead of time is just fine because you believe it might not have made a difference anyway?

you do know you don't have to defend every dumb thing this admin does?


It's an absolutely dumb criticism to think that a person in China would of somehow given us some brilliant insight and magically things would be different if only this mystical god figure CDC person was able to warn us. We probably have spies in China where we got most of our intelligence on fake numbers.

There are valid criticisms like Trump didn't act on that Intel in a timely manner and then there is low iq ones like this one which i have no problem defending Trump on.

Decided to look it up

1.He didn't fire the top pandemic expert, the guy resigned and wasn't replaced.

2. He actually hasn't reduced funding to the CDC. He wanted to but congress eventually passed bills increasing CDC funding and Trump signed them both times.

https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2020/feb/28/michael-bloomberg/did-donald-trump-fire-pandemic-officials-defund-cd/

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