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Aug 10 2019 07:11pm
Quote (bogie160 @ 11 Aug 2019 02:45)
When you use adverbs like "clearly", it should be clear. Unfortunately it's not very clear at all.

Has Trump asked for Mexicans to be killed? Driven out? Are those reflective of his policy goals and/or objectives? Has he called for violence against Mexicans directly? Indirectly?

Provide concrete examples.

An antifa activist attempted to commit mass murder because he was told, by radical elements of the Democratic party and by the media, that immigration enforcement was a sin on par with Nazism and the Holocaust. That is my definition of causality.


read trump's tweets and watch his statements about immigrants and mexicans, and then read the shooter's manifesto. again, i'm not quite sure if you simply CAN'T see it, or if you just don't WANT to acknowledge it, but either way it's pretty fucking pathetic.
that said, the facts sure don't care about your definitions and feelings. no matter how hard you try to convince yourself the two shootings are basically the same in terms of political motivation, and that your precious cult leader's divisive rhetoric has nothing to do with the radicalisation of such nut jobs, the best you can do is delude yourself. it's blatantly obvious to the world outside your little bubble.

Quote (Beowulf @ 11 Aug 2019 01:48)
Young minority men don't need another reason to get mistreated or shot by the cops by getting involved with white groups that get them hopped up on street wars when the white cowards go home safe every night

young minority men need jobs and to stay clean and to stay out of trouble. Protect their sisters and help raise their brothers. Care for their mothers

Antifa are lying cowards that take advantage of troubled and lost youth and they leave them to the wolves

Only cowards harm unarmed people with mobs. Only cowards take advantage of lost and abused youth and set them up to be harmed or harm others


interesting framing and priorities you have. a couple of questions: to which end are they 'taken advantage of' and by whom? who is masterminding antifa in your opinion?

and again, why does that trigger you more than white nationalist terrorists that actually KILL people? i mean, i understand condemning physical violence, and i'm with you on that, but you seem to have fully bought into the simplistic right wing narratives trying to smear any political opposition. everyone who doesn't agree is either "fake news" or a "terror organisation", has "TDS", is a "RINO", or a "paid protester (by soros of course)". why do you choose to forgo nuance on this particular issue? any personal experience that explains your irrational overreaction?
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Aug 10 2019 07:26pm
Quote (fender @ Aug 10 2019 06:11pm)
read trump's tweets and watch his statements about immigrants and mexicans, and then read the shooter's manifesto. again, i'm not quite sure if you simply CAN'T see it, or if you just don't WANT to acknowledge it, but either way it's pretty fucking pathetic.
that said, the facts sure don't care about your definitions and feelings. no matter how hard you try to convince yourself the two shootings are basically the same in terms of political motivation, and that your precious cult leader's divisive rhetoric has nothing to do with the radicalisation of such nut jobs, the best you can do is delude yourself. it's blatantly obvious to the world outside your little bubble.



interesting framing and priorities you have. a couple of questions: to which end are they 'taken advantage of' and by whom? who is masterminding antifa in your opinion?

and again, why does that trigger you more than white nationalist terrorists that actually KILL people? i mean, i understand condemning physical violence, and i'm with you on that, but you seem to have fully bought into the simplistic right wing narratives trying to smear any political opposition. everyone who doesn't agree is either "fake news" or a "terror organisation", has "TDS", is a "RINO", or a "paid protester (by soros of course)". why do you choose to forgo nuance on this particular issue? any personal experience that explains your irrational overreaction?


I've never supported violence in pard outside of self defense

I don't use deaths and murder victims to attack and blame people I politically disagree with. The blame is on those pulling triggers.

Antifa is a group of liars and cowards. These mass killers are individuals.

I don't blame antifa for mass murders I hold them accountable for being unproductive spoiled cowards that escalate situations and put minority youth they recruit in harms way

lol @ me buying into right wing talking points
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Aug 10 2019 07:29pm
Quote (fender @ Aug 10 2019 01:03pm)
ftfy


You fixed nothing. Nothing you wrote touched on issues related to constitutionality, and you're not capable of addressing such issues in an informed manner.
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Aug 10 2019 07:31pm
Quote (Ghot @ Aug 10 2019 02:07pm)
Never said to deny people the right to own. Just license or register the guns.
Testing yes, for simple physical capability... that's it.

Wow, I bet I believe in Voter ID too. :/


What the fuck do you think licensure entails? The ability to say no.
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Aug 10 2019 07:34pm
Quote (fender @ Aug 10 2019 09:11pm)
read trump's tweets and watch his statements about immigrants and mexicans, and then read the shooter's manifesto. again, i'm not quite sure if you simply CAN'T see it, or if you just don't WANT to acknowledge it, but either way it's pretty fucking pathetic.
that said, the facts sure don't care about your definitions and feelings. no matter how hard you try to convince yourself the two shootings are basically the same in terms of political motivation, and that your precious cult leader's divisive rhetoric has nothing to do with the radicalisation of such nut jobs, the best you can do is delude yourself. it's blatantly obvious to the world outside your little bubble.


Spend more time finding that example, and less time on this long-winded rant.
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Aug 10 2019 07:38pm
Quote (Santara @ Aug 10 2019 09:31pm)
What the fuck do you think licensure entails? The ability to say no.




Not really. I mean look at all the idiots that have drivers licenses.
Or how about hunting or fishing licenses... just about anyone can get those.

Yes, I'll grant that gun licenses or registration could be abused. But that could be solved by putting limits on what the licensing organizations could do.
Make it more of a registration, if that makes you feel better. But there needs to be some method for accountability for gun ownership and use.

As it is now... granny Wiggins (or whoever) can blow your head off for ringing the doorbell.

Gun registration and/or licensing wouldn't be able to overthrow the 2nd Amendment... it would just provide accountability.

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Aug 10 2019 07:44pm
Quote (Ghot @ Aug 10 2019 08:38pm)
Not really. I mean look at all the idiots that have drivers licenses.
Or how about hunting or fishing licenses... just about anyone can get those.

Yes, I'll grant that gun licenses or registration could be abused. But that could be solved by putting limits on what the licensing organizations could do.
Make it more of a registration, if that makes you feel better. But there needs to be some method for accountability for gun ownership and use.

As it is now... granny Wiggins (or whoever) can blow your head off for ringing the doorbell.

Gun registration and/or licensing wouldn't be able to overthrow the 2nd Amendment... it would just provide accountability.


https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murdock_v._Pennsylvania
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Aug 10 2019 07:50pm
Quote (Santara @ Aug 10 2019 09:44pm)




That's a stretch.

No matter what the registration or licensing laws for guns would be, you'd always have the NRA on your side.
I dunno... I'd never want to own a gun... I'd probably shoot some asshole for being an asshole.
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Aug 10 2019 07:50pm
Quote (Ghot @ Aug 10 2019 06:38pm)
Not really. I mean look at all the idiots that have drivers licenses.
Or how about hunting or fishing licenses... just about anyone can get those.

Yes, I'll grant that gun licenses or registration could be abused. But that could be solved by putting limits on what the licensing organizations could do.
Make it more of a registration, if that makes you feel better. But there needs to be some method for accountability for gun ownership and use.

As it is now... granny Wiggins (or whoever) can blow your head off for ringing the doorbell.

Gun registration and/or licensing wouldn't be able to overthrow the 2nd Amendment... it would just provide accountability.


no it's to impose hurdles and gather information on law abiding citizens and to prevent and control ownership of people that should be able to own

it doesn't lead to accountability it leads to confiscation rhetoric and the information required to to attempt it

mental health and political leanings will be weaponized and combined with what already exists which is demonizing of responsible gun owners and supporters of their right

As it is now granny wiggins has a right to defense and ownership and that should stay protected and she not demonized when millions (and the large majority) are not blasting people at the door
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Aug 10 2019 07:58pm
Quote (Ghot @ Aug 10 2019 08:50pm)
That's a stretch.

No matter what the registration or licensing laws for guns would be, you'd always have the NRA on your side.
I dunno... I'd never want to own a gun... I'd probably shoot some asshole for being an asshole.


It says:

The state does not have the power to license or tax a right guaranteed to the people.
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