Quote (InsaneBobb @ Apr 2 2020 03:28pm)

At a guess I would state that there's no way to halt the spread of the infection. And this is part of my point, and thank you for making it for me.

The nature of the virus equals "lethal cold". We haven't managed to stop the common cold or even slow it down, ever, due to it's inherent nature. This IS a cold. Just with a lethality rate.

Thus, I would posit that the only solution is to end the partial martial law that has been imposed, allow it to run it's course, but not stop trying to develop vaccines.

The virus was "discovered" in December. Given incubation times, that means by New Years, it was likely a player on the world stage. Most nations had their first confirmed case sometime in January. That indicates to me that the spread was already so wide before ANY nation addressed that it was an issue (besides China) that "preventing the infection" was already an improbability, if not an outright impossibility.



Oddly I haven't seen anything from Fox News fro close to a year. You're repeating Vox talking points. Therefore it's logical to assume that you're every bit as braindead as they are. If you'd like to correct the record with who IS melting your brain, feel free. Perhaps The Young Turks? Al Jazira? Mother Jones?

Quote (InsaneBobb @ Apr 2 2020 06:44pm)

In general, Coronaviruses are more contagious than the Flu, so I would not doubt this. Add to the fact that 30% of the global population isn't getting vaccines from it, and it makes a lot of sense.

Which makes the reported caseload appear to be so very much lower than what actually exists, that it nullifies mortality estimates, and therefore nearly all predictive models, correct?

Quote (Kayeto @ Apr 2 2020 03:52pm)

It doesn't nullify South Korea's mortality estimate, as you probably remember me pointing out earlier in this thread

I don't draw any conclusions from any other country's mortality rate. Their data is sorely incomplete. I just know that the mortality rate for the US is going to be at least equal to SK's, surely higher. That's assuming we don't have any major breakthroughs that drastically change our trajectory. We can take SK's mortality as our basement and then speculate up from there.

Quote (InsaneBobb @ Apr 2 2020 06:56pm)

I reviewed that, and I see no indication that the entire population has been tested. I'm waiting for more data, so regarding that particular information, I thank you for it again, and I'm watching with great interest.

The most data I see are from some place I don't know the name of and Iceland, regarding actual testing information, as well as death breakdown. Unfortunately it's the country I'm unfamiliar with and don't read the language of that is the most detailed, and google failed to translate it.

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The backbone of Korea’s success has been mass, indiscriminate testing, followed by rigorous contact tracing and the quarantine of anyone the carrier has come into contact with.

Quote (Kayeto @ Apr 2 2020 04:04pm)

https://www.wired.co.uk/article/south-korea-coronavirus


The fact that they tested, isolated and traced contacts meant that the virus never made its way throughout the population. No other country will be able to replicate the wide net of tests they pulled off. Their data is the most reliable brand of data that will exist in the practical world.

If anyone doesn't like that data, then they will never like any data the world has to offer. That philosophy would be consistent with the sentiment behind your posts here.

Quote (InsaneBobb @ Apr 2 2020 07:10pm)

I agree with everything you're saying. I'm merely pointing out that from all the information they have provided, it appears the bulk of their population has not been tested.

Quote (Hecht55 @ Apr 3 2020 03:36am)

You think western butchers don't fail to practice safe food handling?

Quote (KungPeriodFu @ Apr 2 2020 08:21pm)

so much of what is happening is because westerners, americans in particular seem to think theyre the master race.

before this got out of hand i recall so many americans saying that the country was prepared for this, that their superior healthcare system would provide, that clean tap water would halt the spread, that their manners and general civility (LOL) wouldnt allow for the virus to spread.

well look how that turned out.


aside from the unavailability of bats and muskrats at the butcher, there's hardly any difference between a wildlife butcher and an ordinary run-of-the-mill butcher in the states.
america is really not that different.

Quote (ofthevoid @ Apr 2 2020 04:06pm)

You said 3rd world people eat that food because 'it's what's available to them' implying that it's out of necessity or poverty. That's not true. In 2020, the overwhelming majority of Chinese people are not going hungry and have ample food. So no they don't eat bats or mice because it's whats available, they do it because it's a cultural taste preference kind of like bugs in SE Asia, or blood sausage in South American countries.

Quote (KungPeriodFu @ Apr 2 2020 05:21pm)

so much of what is happening is because westerners, americans in particular seem to think theyre the master race.

before this got out of hand i recall so many americans saying that the country was prepared for this, that their superior healthcare system would provide, that clean tap water would halt the spread, that their manners and general civility (LOL) wouldnt allow for the virus to spread.

well look how that turned out.


aside from the unavailability of bats and muskrats at the butcher, there's hardly any difference between a wildlife butcher and an ordinary run-of-the-mill butcher in the states.
america is really not that different.