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Aug 10 2019 10:51am
Quote (fender @ Aug 10 2019 10:39am)
well, since every promising avenue of fighting america's gun epidemic is simply dismissed as 'unconstitutional' by ignorant hacks, i guess the only alternative to 'no way to prevent this, but unironically' is repealing the 2nd amendment...
and since there is no majority for the latter (although i would be interested to see what polling with the two options 'do nothing about it' and 'repeal the second amendment and introduce new, stricter gun laws' would look like), i guess it's just 'fuck those thousands of innocent people that unnecessarily die each year - i love my guns too much'...


You have zero credibility calling Americans' understanding of our Constitution "ignorant."
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Quote (Santara @ 10 Aug 2019 18:51)
You have zero credibility calling Americans' understanding of our Constitution "ignorant."


that would only apply if you guys were principled, and put up the same kind of resistance when your government eroded your constitutional rights with the PATRIOT act for example (according to gun nut lore, your precious firearms could have helped you do that, strangely enough no gun lover did anything about it) - but you aren't, those are just lazy excuses because in reality it's not the constitution you care about, but guns.

also, let's not forget that the constitution once also explicitly acknowledged and even protected slavery - and there sure as hell were many people who hid behind the 'i'm just principled about our precious constitution' narrative to support it.
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Aug 10 2019 11:45am
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that would only apply if you guys were principled, and put up the same kind of resistance when your government eroded your constitutional rights with the PATRIOT act for example (according to gun nut lore, your precious firearms could have helped you do that, strangely enough no gun lover did anything about it) - but you aren't, those are just lazy excuses because in reality it's not the constitution you care about, but guns.

also, let's not forget that the constitution once also explicitly acknowledged and even protected slavery - and there sure as hell were many people who hid behind the 'i'm just principled about our precious constitution' narrative to support it.


I'll take false equivalencies for $1000, Alex.
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Quote (Santara @ 10 Aug 2019 19:45)
I'll take 'dodging inconvenient truths' for $1000, Alex.


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Aug 10 2019 01:07pm
Quote (Beowulf @ Aug 10 2019 11:21am)
They have a right to own

That includes people we dont agree with and it will lead to denied rights by being used to prevent firearm ownership not based only on percieved safety but political leanings and using things like mental health scare tactics against the non violent and will eventually lead to confiscation talk

I know for a fact you don't actually care about peoples rights but I find it interesting this is the one issue you agree with the left on when it's the issue the left is probably legitimately the worst on




Never said to deny people the right to own. Just license or register the guns.
Testing yes, for simple physical capability... that's it.

Wow, I bet I believe in Voter ID too. :/




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Didn't know that Russia now is playing second fiddle in military expenditure to France :D
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Quote (fender @ 10 Aug 2019 13:05)
that would only apply if you guys were principled, and put up the same kind of resistance when your government eroded your constitutional rights with the PATRIOT act for example (according to gun nut lore, your precious firearms could have helped you do that, strangely enough no gun lover did anything about it) - but you aren't, those are just lazy excuses because in reality it's not the constitution you care about, but guns.

also, let's not forget that the constitution once also explicitly acknowledged and even protected slavery - and there sure as hell were many people who hid behind the 'i'm just principled about our precious constitution' narrative to support it.


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https://i.redd.it/uted6flqflf31.jpg

Didn't know that Russia now is playing second fiddle in military expenditure to France :D


probably because a certain country is relentlessly pushing the 'b-b-but europe isn't spending enough to defend themselves against threats like russia' narrative to pressure us into buying their weapons.
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Quote (balrog66 @ 10 Aug 2019 22:34)
https://i.redd.it/uted6flqflf31.jpg

Didn't know that Russia now is playing second fiddle in military expenditure to France :D


Each eu country just have to manage 3-4 nuclear submarines with ICBMs and we rule the world, or at least ensure our protection.
The other side of the coin is to know from where the attack is coming...
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