Dunno why anti gun people push the weak NRA talking point all the time

Are they also telling me what to think as a non gun owning non gun interested second amendment supporting leftist that has never had anything to do with the NRA?

I support the right to own for lots of reasons I don't even stick with one. Hunting, defense, bluff stick, ranch hand, whatever people wanna do with them that is within their rights

NRA doesn't control people. Only city TYT type of anti gun people buy into that nonsense

This post was edited by Beowulf on Aug 8 2019 11:12am

If a majority of americans really wants stricter gun regulation, it should be no problem to fund a gun-control counterpart to the NRA, a lobby group which is even richer and more powerful.


Politically, the true obstacle for sweeping limitations on gun rights isnt Trump anyway, it's the Senate with its large, inherent bias in favor of rural states. (Of all policy issues, gun control is among those with THE largest urban-rural splits.)

This post was edited by Black XistenZ on Aug 8 2019 11:10am

Long term polls show increasing support for gun rights. You cant just look at one poll in this case. We even see increasing support for private ownership of automatic weapons. Sure, 1 poll might show only 42% support for automatic weapons, but that number keeps rising if you look at poll trends.

This post was edited by Kuggergug on Aug 8 2019 11:10am

IF? have you seen any polls in the last couple of years?!

and no, not only is it the wrong approach to fight corruption with even more corruption, and directly opposed to the 'get money OUT of politics' stance that most americans favour, it'd also not be as simple as you dishonestly try to make it sound. established structures and ties through decades of lobbying can't be matched that easily. and again, completely wrong approach to begin with.



fair enough, you may not have any ties to them, but you sure as hell use a whole lot of their anti-intellectual and lazy talking points ('don't politicise this' / 'guns protect minorities'...). i guess when you grow up in that 'culture' and don't have a reason to critically question those, you just absorb them...

just link them then.

https://news.gallup.com/poll/1645/guns.aspx

or in my case I grew up where they disarmed and slaughtered minorities half of which were women and children and the government you want to hand the guns over to gave medals of honor for it

NRA didn't influence shit in my life but that experience did

You can say it's unlikely it'll ever happen again and you can say might as well hand the guns over because the government will win anyway but it doesn't matter to me. That same government still shits on the same families of the people they once slaughtered to this very day with their power and enforcement

Poor people should keep their guns, I trust them more.

Fender telling someone else that he doesnt truly understand the danger/evil of gun culture because this person grew up in an environment with guns...

Basically, Fender is saying that he knows better about guns and has a more truthful point of view on them specifically because he does not have the other guy's first-hand experience.



"You have experience with a gun environment, and I dont - and that's why I know better about guns than you."

Can't make that shit up.

This post was edited by Black XistenZ on Aug 8 2019 11:24am

Are you seriously surprised? This is what Fender specializes in.

Utter Bullshit.

nice dodge on the lobbying point, and a complete hack job rephrasing what i actually said there. complete trash...



oh of course, when all else fails play the native card. we've been over this, and i explained to you that societies change with time. guess what, i 'grew up where they slaughtered minorities, including women and children' as well. i still don't think that everyone having guns would make our society today safer because it simply doesn't make any fucking sense if you look at the statistics.

apart from the abysmal training that american cops have, do you know what's also a reason they shoot so many people? because the likelihood of them having a firearm on them is obviously incredibly high, making everyone a potentially lethal threat. you can't always look at a problem exclusively from the one side that suits your narrative...

A majority have a favorable opinion of the NRA
That means they are right.
Why do you oppose common sense NRA support?