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Quote (fender @ Aug 7 2019 10:38am)
i just have to look at the way you chose to frame those issues to realise that you're very well aware of how unpopular republican policy positions really are.



- there is a solid majority against a ban of abortions, and for upholding roe vs wade. ( https://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/abortion/447397-77-percent-say-supreme-court-should-uphold-roe-v-wade )

- of course everyone wants their own taxes as low as possible, but the majority of americans oppose the republican way of giving the lion share of tax breaks to corporations and millionaires, blowing a massive hole into the budget, and making empty 'trickle down' promises ( https://www.politico.com/story/2019/04/15/donald-trump-tax-cuts-unpopular-1273469 )

- over 90% support universal background checks and other common sense gun regulation ( https://news.gallup.com/poll/1645/guns.aspx )

- an overwhelming majority opposes corporate bribes in elections and wants to do away with citizens united ( https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/4455238-campaignfinancereport.html )

- most americans are in favour of more environmental protection ( https://news.gallup.com/poll/1615/environment.aspx )

- a solid majority of americans opposes trump's border wall and favors a path to citizenship for illegals ( https://news.gallup.com/poll/246455/solid-majority-opposes-new-construction-border-wall.aspx )

- most americans think securing elections against foreign meddling is an important issue ( http://maristpoll.marist.edu/wp-content/uploads/2018/09/NPR_Marist-Poll_National-Nature-of-the-Sample-and-Tables_September-2018_1809111654.pdf#page=3 )

- americans are also largely against partisan gerrymandering ( https://www.brennancenter.org/analysis/americans-are-united-against-partisan-gerrymandering )

- a big majority is in favour of dodd-frank and the cfpb ( https://ourfinancialsecurity.org/2018/07/afrcrl-poll-new-survey-reveals-discontent-with-mulvaney-path-at-cfpb/ )

- a majority of americans disagree with trump's trade war policy ( https://news.gallup.com/poll/238013/americans-say-china-tariffs-harmful-helpful.aspx )


i could go on, but that covers many of the main issues i think. now how about you show me some polling that shows support for republican positions?
inb4: 'your sources are unreliable, but i won't provide any alternatives because reasons / those aren't republican positions because they didn't officially admit it / i never claimed both parties' policies were similarly popular...'


oh, and regarding the electoral college, you need to learn how to read and stop strawmanning. no one said "unfair" or that republicans established it, or any of the nonsense that you hacks make up because you can't refute my point - it's just one of the items amongst all those "other" means i listed by which republicans 'win' elections.


Also on abortion, 48% find it morally wrong, 20% said it's morally acceptable, and 31% don't believe it's moral issue.

Also on guns, stop using the phase "common sense," as if you know what the fuck you're talking about. Americans strongly oppose a new assault weapons ban.

Where in the Republican party platform did you find "support corporate bribery?"

Where in the Republican party platform did you find "support gerrymandering?"

Lol, you presented evidence for public support for "tougher regulation of Wall Street" and then substituted Dodd-Frank, which is nothing of the sort.
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Also on abortion, 48% find it morally wrong, 20% said it's morally acceptable, and 31% don't believe it's moral issue.

Also on guns, stop using the phase "common sense," as if you know what the fuck you're talking about. Americans strongly oppose a new assault weapons ban.

Where in the Republican party platform did you find "support corporate bribery?"

Where in the Republican party platform did you find "support gerrymandering?"

Lol, you presented evidence for public support for "tougher regulation of Wall Street" and then substituted Dodd-Frank, which is nothing of the sort.


why do you even try? i explicitly inb4'd that idiotic and predictable 'they don't publicly say it like that, so it doesn't count' excuse. partisan gerrymandering and citizens united are staples of republican election strategy. their respective stances on those issues were deciding factors for trump's supreme court nominations (and the recent scotus decision on gerrymandering illustrated that perfectly).

who are you even trying to convince here? i'm sure we both are perfectly aware that republicans heavily rely on both, while most democrats, just like the overwhelming majority of americans, oppose them - they want to put an end to gerrymandering and money in politics. republicans not outright stating 'yes, we want heavily gerrymandered districts (although some actually did) and corporate bribes' doesn't make it any less true.

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/07/25/us/michigan-gerrymandering.html



also, moral feelings aren't policy positions. you can (and a majority DO) feel it's morally wrong, but STILL allow a woman to make her own decision. many conservatives find masturbation morally wrong - should we ban it therefore? idiotic logic. the gallup poll i posted on abortion addresses the issue, and americans clearly oppose alabama style bans (that many other red states also tried, or aspire to).

same with gun laws, look at the poll and the facts, and stop whining about your feelings, i'm not your boyfriend. i said that over 90% of americans are for universal background checks, and the poll proves me right. so when mcconnell outright BLOCKS any kind of common sense gun legislation, the republican party is clearly acting against the will of the american people. takes a true hack (or idiot) not to acknowledge such basic FACTS.

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Quote (fender @ Aug 7 2019 06:48pm)
why do you even try? i explicitly inb4'd that idiotic and predictable 'they don't publicly say it like that, so it doesn't count' excuse. partisan gerrymandering and citizens united are staples of republican election strategy. their respective stances on those issues were deciding factors for trump's supreme court nominations (and the recent scotus decision on gerrymandering illustrated that perfectly).

who are you even trying to convince here? i'm sure we both are perfectly aware that republicans heavily rely on both, while most democrats, just like the overwhelming majority of americans, oppose them. republicans not outright stating 'yes, we want heavily gerrymandered districts (although some actually did) and corporate bribes' doesn't make it any less true.

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/07/25/us/michigan-gerrymandering.html

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=scpfpZ-pL8Q


If you inb4'd it, I promise you my eyes glazed over before I got that far, and if Citizens United is a Republican election strategy, it's an extremely stupid one. It has heavily favor team Donkey since its ruling. Right, gerrymandering is a Republican strategy only. This just in.
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Quote (Santara @ 8 Aug 2019 01:55)
If you inb4'd it, I promise you my eyes glazed over before I got that far, and if Citizens United is a Republican election strategy, it's an extremely stupid one. It has heavily favor team Donkey since its ruling. Right, gerrymandering is a Republican strategy only. This just in.


is it false equivalence day over there?

how often do i have to debunk the moronic and completely ignorant 'both sides do it, so it can't be a republican strategy. the fact that democrats oppose it, while republicans in congress and supreme court do everything in their power to keep it, doesn't matter' narrative?

http://election.princeton.edu/2012/12/30/gerrymanders-part-1-busting-the-both-sides-do-it-myth/

unsurprisingly, you are equally misinformed and ignorant about citizens united: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/monkey-cage/wp/2017/02/24/how-citizens-united-gave-republicans-a-bonanza-of-seats-in-u-s-state-legislatures/
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is it false equivalence day over there?

how often do i have to debunk the moronic and completely ignorant 'both sides do it, so it can't be a republican strategy. the fact that democrats oppose it, while republicans in congress and supreme court do everything in their power to keep it, doesn't matter' narrative?

http://election.princeton.edu/2012/12/30/gerrymanders-part-1-busting-the-both-sides-do-it-myth/

unsurprisingly, you are equally misinformed and ignorant about citizens united: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/monkey-cage/wp/2017/02/24/how-citizens-united-gave-republicans-a-bonanza-of-seats-in-u-s-state-legislatures/


The statistical methodology in your “source” is bunk
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Keep it up ghot, atleast someone who can read the topic tittle
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Aug 7 2019 06:19pm
Quote (EndlessSky @ 8 Aug 2019 02:10)
The statistical methodology in your “source” is bunk


elaborate. and then show me 'good' sources that prove how republicans are not considerably worse when it comes to gerrymandering, if that's what you're suggesting. oh, and let's of course completely ignore the supreme court decision down party lines, and the fact that democrats are openly advocating to end gerrymandering while republicans are largely in favour...
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Quote (fender @ Aug 7 2019 07:08pm)
is it false equivalence day over there?

how often do i have to debunk the moronic and completely ignorant 'both sides do it, so it can't be a republican strategy. the fact that democrats oppose it, while republicans in congress and supreme court do everything in their power to keep it, doesn't matter' narrative?

http://election.princeton.edu/2012/12/30/gerrymanders-part-1-busting-the-both-sides-do-it-myth/

unsurprisingly, you are equally misinformed and ignorant about citizens united: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/monkey-cage/wp/2017/02/24/how-citizens-united-gave-republicans-a-bonanza-of-seats-in-u-s-state-legislatures/


Ah yes, "Democrats oppose it," which must be why Maryland was one of the two states whose gerrymandering was just ruled on by the Supreme Court. And stop acting as if the Supremes ruled the way they did because they "like" gerrymandering and its effects. You're obviously ignorant of the fact that the cases left no good pathway to constructing a precedent setting rule.
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Keep it up ghot, atleast someone who can read the topic tittle


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